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| Landjager recipe? [message #2488] |
Di, 19 Oktober 2004 08:49 |
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Does anyone have a good Landjager recipe?
It's a German sausage that is more like jerky.
Supposedly it was used for hunters in Germany.
Sold in the midwest.
Preferably containing venison.
Thank you!
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #2489 ] |
Di, 19 Oktober 2004 19:58 |
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Hi JP,
jp schrieb:
> Does anyone have a good Landjager recipe?
>
> It's a German sausage that is more like jerky.
> Supposedly it was used for hunters in Germany.
>
> Sold in the midwest.
>
> Preferably containing venison.
>
> Thank you!
this recipes doesn't contain any venison at all, but you can use venison
instead of beef
Title: Landjaeger home made
Category: Sausages
1 recipe
Ingredients:
700 Gramm lean pork
700 Gramm lean peef
500 Gramm fat pork (back, fresh bacon)
50 Gramm modern cure (2 tbs.)
2 tbs. pepper, white, grounded
1 tbs. caraway seeds, whole seeds, heaped spoon
1 tbs. mustard seeds, heaped spoon
1 tbs. dextrose, heaped spoon
hog casings, small intestines
source:
www.kirchenweb.at
-- Erfasst *RK* 19.10.2004 von
-- Karla Baumann
Preparation:
The meat has to be stored in a freezer about 3 hours before preparation.
Grind the frozen meat coarsly only. Place the ground meat in a non
reactive bowl. Add the cure and spices. Mix about 10 minutes until
well blended, don't use a machine, work with your hands only. Prepare
the casings as usual. Fill the casings with a sausage-stuffing
attachment and grinder, follow the manufacturer's directions. Each
sausage should be 8 inches long. Place pairs of sausages on a clean
wooden board. Place a second board on the top. Use some cans as
weights above. Landjaegers will become flat and rectangle in shape.
After 24 hours place the pairs of sausages in your smoker. Smoke a few
days (cold smoke only) until they are colored very dark reddish brown.
Regards,
Karla
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #2490 ] |
Di, 19 Oktober 2004 20:34 |
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Karla Baumann wrote:
> Hi JP,
> jp schrieb:
>
>> Does anyone have a good Landjager recipe?
>>
>> It's a German sausage that is more like jerky.
>> Supposedly it was used for hunters in Germany.
>>
>> Sold in the midwest.
>>
>> Preferably containing venison.
>>
>> Thank you!
>
>
> this recipes doesn't contain any venison at all, but you can use venison
> instead of beef
>
> Title: Landjaeger home made
> Category: Sausages
> 1 recipe
>
> Ingredients:
> 700 Gramm lean pork
> 700 Gramm lean peef
> 500 Gramm fat pork (back, fresh bacon)
> 50 Gramm modern cure (2 tbs.)
> 2 tbs. pepper, white, grounded
> 1 tbs. caraway seeds, whole seeds, heaped spoon
> 1 tbs. mustard seeds, heaped spoon
> 1 tbs. dextrose, heaped spoon
> hog casings, small intestines
>
>
>
> source:
> www.kirchenweb.at
> -- Erfasst *RK* 19.10.2004 von
> -- Karla Baumann
>
>
> Preparation:
> The meat has to be stored in a freezer about 3 hours before preparation.
> Grind the frozen meat coarsly only. Place the ground meat in a non
> reactive bowl. Add the cure and spices. Mix about 10 minutes until
> well blended, don't use a machine, work with your hands only. Prepare
> the casings as usual. Fill the casings with a sausage-stuffing
> attachment and grinder, follow the manufacturer's directions. Each
> sausage should be 8 inches long. Place pairs of sausages on a clean
> wooden board. Place a second board on the top. Use some cans as
> weights above. Landjaegers will become flat and rectangle in shape.
> After 24 hours place the pairs of sausages in your smoker. Smoke a few
> days (cold smoke only) until they are colored very dark reddish brown.
>
> Regards,
> Karla
This looks like *way* too much of nitrite. Perhaps dangerously so.
"Modern Cure" contains 6+% sodium nitrite (and 93% salt), and should be
used at the rate of about (IIRC) 1 tsp. per 5 pounds of meat.
Two tablespoons of Morton TenderQuick might be about right for 1900
grams of meat, or use 2 scant Tbsp of salt mixed with 1 tsp of Modern
Cure or prague powder.
Using caraway seeds instead of coriander seeds or black pepper is
interesting, and I might have to try it sometime.
I would innoculate this with a salami starter culture, like LHP or
Bactoferm™ FRM-52. The lactic acid produced give the sausage a nice
"tangy" flavor, and it helps make the sausage stable without requiring
refrigeration.
Best regards,
Bob
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #2491 ] |
Di, 19 Oktober 2004 22:17 |
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In de.rec.mampf zxcvbob <zxcvbob [at] charter.net> wrote:
> Karla Baumann wrote:
>> Title: Landjaeger home made
>> Category: Sausages
>> 1 recipe
>>
>> Ingredients:
>> 700 Gramm lean pork
>> 700 Gramm lean peef
>> 500 Gramm fat pork (back, fresh bacon)
>> 50 Gramm modern cure (2 tbs.)
>> 2 tbs. pepper, white, grounded
>> 1 tbs. caraway seeds, whole seeds, heaped spoon
>> 1 tbs. mustard seeds, heaped spoon
>> 1 tbs. dextrose, heaped spoon
>> hog casings, small intestines
>>
>>
>>
>> source:
>> www.kirchenweb.at
>> -- Erfasst *RK* 19.10.2004 von
>> -- Karla Baumann
>>
>>
>> Preparation:
>> The meat has to be stored in a freezer about 3 hours before preparation.
>> Grind the frozen meat coarsly only. Place the ground meat in a non
>> reactive bowl. Add the cure and spices. Mix about 10 minutes until
>> well blended, don't use a machine, work with your hands only. Prepare
>> the casings as usual. Fill the casings with a sausage-stuffing
>> attachment and grinder, follow the manufacturer's directions. Each
>> sausage should be 8 inches long. Place pairs of sausages on a clean
>> wooden board. Place a second board on the top. Use some cans as
>> weights above. Landjaegers will become flat and rectangle in shape.
>> After 24 hours place the pairs of sausages in your smoker. Smoke a few
>> days (cold smoke only) until they are colored very dark reddish brown.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Karla
>
>
> This looks like *way* too much of nitrite. Perhaps dangerously so.
>
> "Modern Cure" contains 6+% sodium nitrite (and 93% salt), and should be
> used at the rate of about (IIRC) 1 tsp. per 5 pounds of meat.
>
> Two tablespoons of Morton TenderQuick might be about right for 1900
> grams of meat, or use 2 scant Tbsp of salt mixed with 1 tsp of Modern
> Cure or prague powder.
>
> Using caraway seeds instead of coriander seeds or black pepper is
> interesting, and I might have to try it sometime.
>
> I would innoculate this with a salami starter culture, like LHP or
> Bactoferm™ FRM-52. The lactic acid produced give the sausage a nice
> "tangy" flavor, and it helps make the sausage stable without requiring
> refrigeration.
>
I was curious and looked up the recipe and then for the amount of
nitrite in the original "Poekelsalz".
E.g. on
http://www.esco-salt.com/produkte/speisesalz-lieferprogramm- poekel.cfm
they list either 0.4-0.5 or 0.8-0.9 % sodium nitrite for their
Poekelsalz
Same at http://ww.aula.at/pages/aula-nit.htm. The highest percentace is
0.6 %.
So the amount of 50 g is correct, we use just a much weaker
concetentration of nitrite.
Ciao
Carmen
--
Carmen Bartels elfgar [at] ATP, elfgar [at] Xyllomer
caba [at] squirrel.han.de caba [at] irc
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #2492 ] |
Do, 21 Oktober 2004 06:01 |
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I've been following this thread because of the curing amounts being talked
about. This weekend my niece and I are going to make about 10 pounds of
Italian sausage (the way it was when I was a kid, pork butts, garlic and
black pepper and salt only) and a small amount of a different type maybe a
Lithuanian Kielbasa - fresh - not smoked. Anyway, I just bought some
sausage stuffers tubes and decided to try a small amount of curing salt.
This is what I bought and what it said: The picture may not come through.
Curing Salt 1 oz (Item #632026)
(Curing Salt is 6.25% Sodium Nitrate and 93.75% Salt} Used at any time meat
is not immediatley put into freezer or refrigerator, Such as smoking, air
drying, dehumidifying, etc. Cures 25 lbs of meat when mixed into meat
Similar to Prague Powder or instacure j
A convert program that I use for all kinds of measurements says that 1 ounce
equals 6 teaspoons (US) and 5.764xx UK). So, assuming 24 pounds of meat
instead of 25 that would be approximately 1/4 teaspoon per pound of meat.
hope this helps to clear up any discrepency.
Joe.
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"jp" <laslow_g [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d9c8ca35.0410182249.7dd52b4 [at] posting.google.com...
> Does anyone have a good Landjager recipe?
>
> It's a German sausage that is more like jerky.
> Supposedly it was used for hunters in Germany.
>
> Sold in the midwest.
>
> Preferably containing venison.
>
> Thank you!
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #2493 ] |
Do, 21 Oktober 2004 06:15 |
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No One wrote:
> I've been following this thread because of the curing amounts being talked
> about. This weekend my niece and I are going to make about 10 pounds of
> Italian sausage (the way it was when I was a kid, pork butts, garlic and
> black pepper and salt only) and a small amount of a different type maybe a
> Lithuanian Kielbasa - fresh - not smoked. Anyway, I just bought some
> sausage stuffers tubes and decided to try a small amount of curing salt.
> This is what I bought and what it said: The picture may not come through.
>
>
> Curing Salt 1 oz (Item #632026)
> (Curing Salt is 6.25% Sodium Nitrate and 93.75% Salt} Used at any time meat
> is not immediatley put into freezer or refrigerator, Such as smoking, air
> drying, dehumidifying, etc. Cures 25 lbs of meat when mixed into meat
> Similar to Prague Powder or instacure j
>
> A convert program that I use for all kinds of measurements says that 1 ounce
> equals 6 teaspoons (US) and 5.764xx UK). So, assuming 24 pounds of meat
> instead of 25 that would be approximately 1/4 teaspoon per pound of meat.
> hope this helps to clear up any discrepency.
>
> Joe.
The only problem with your logic is that 1 *fluid ounce* is 6 tsp. So
your conversion only works if one fluid ounce of salt weighs 1 ounce
avoirdupois. It doesn't; it weighs about twice that much.
Ain't English units of measure wonderful?
Best regards,
Bob
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #2494 ] |
Do, 21 Oktober 2004 07:13 |
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No One wrote:
>[...]
>Curing Salt 1 oz (Item #632026)
>(Curing Salt is 6.25% Sodium Nitrate and 93.75% Salt}=20
>
That looks like regular pink salt/modern cure.
But I wish you would refrain from posting pictures in a "text only" NG.
Germans are not as forgiving about that as the Yanks.
Things go to hell in a handbasket at a little slower pace, Mickey'Ds and =
WallyMart is enough for the moment. :-)
>Used at any time meat
>is not immediatley put into freezer or refrigerator, Such as smoking, a=
ir
>drying, dehumidifying, etc. Cures 25 lbs of meat when mixed into meat
>Similar to Prague Powder or instacure j
>
>A convert program that I use for all kinds of measurements says that 1 o=
unce
>equals 6 teaspoons (US) and 5.764xx UK). So, assuming 24 pounds of meat=
>instead of 25 that would be approximately 1/4 teaspoon per pound of meat=
=2E
>hope this helps to clear up any discrepency.
>
That is hogwash, a US Tablespoon will hold 1/2 an ounce by volume and 3=20
teaspoons by volume.
Salt usually weighs the volume.
And so does water.
If you don't have US measuring spoons, buy a scale and weigh that stuff, =
unless you have a deathwish.
BTW, what does the modern cure do in Italian Sausages anyway, they will=20
last without problems for at least a couple of daty.
Provided you know about sanitation/sticky fingers/&temps-always below =20
40F. Colder is better. Partially freeze your meat before grinding, work=20
fast, sanitary and cold.
Who wants to eat pink pork, too much explainin to do with dem Yanks.
--=20
Grue$$e.
C=3D=A6-)=A7 H. W. Hans Kuntze, CMC, S.g.K. (_o_)
" Strive for excellence in your life & reject being a doormat to others. =
Serve God. "
http://www.cmcchef.com , chef1 [at] cmcchef.com
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/=20
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #2495 ] |
Do, 21 Oktober 2004 17:14 |
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Everyone,
Thanks for the wealth of info. I'm planning on turning some of
my venison into Landjaeger as soon as I get it from the meat locker.
Now I have something to do with all that ground venison. I never
did like the deer sticks from the meat locker, they seemed too
greasy, probably too much pork in them.
In the past I have bought it in the Amana Colonies in Iowa, USA
which is a German themed group of small towns. Unfortunately
it's expensive there, and only available at one store.
I also found this recipe online:
http://home.pacbell.net/lpoli/index_files/landjaeger.pdf
Thanks everyone!
Jay
"H. W. Hans Kuntze" <hans [at] chef.net> wrote in message news:<2tourpF220bf9U1 [at] uni-berlin.de>...
> No One wrote:
>
> >[...]
> >Curing Salt 1 oz (Item #632026)
> >(Curing Salt is 6.25% Sodium Nitrate and 93.75% Salt}
> >
> That looks like regular pink salt/modern cure.
> But I wish you would refrain from posting pictures in a "text only" NG.
> Germans are not as forgiving about that as the Yanks.
> Things go to hell in a handbasket at a little slower pace, Mickey'Ds and
>
> WallyMart is enough for the moment. :-)
>
> >Used at any time meat
> >is not immediatley put into freezer or refrigerator, Such as smoking, a
> ir
> >drying, dehumidifying, etc. Cures 25 lbs of meat when mixed into meat
> >Similar to Prague Powder or instacure j
> >
> >A convert program that I use for all kinds of measurements says that 1 o
> unce
> >equals 6 teaspoons (US) and 5.764xx UK). So, assuming 24 pounds of meat
>
> >instead of 25 that would be approximately 1/4 teaspoon per pound of meat
> .
> >hope this helps to clear up any discrepency.
> >
> That is hogwash, a US Tablespoon will hold 1/2 an ounce by volume and 3
> teaspoons by volume.
> Salt usually weighs the volume.
> And so does water.
> If you don't have US measuring spoons, buy a scale and weigh that stuff,
>
> unless you have a deathwish.
>
> BTW, what does the modern cure do in Italian Sausages anyway, they will
> last without problems for at least a couple of daty.
> Provided you know about sanitation/sticky fingers/&temps-always below
> 40F. Colder is better. Partially freeze your meat before grinding, work
> fast, sanitary and cold.
>
> Who wants to eat pink pork, too much explainin to do with dem Yanks.
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #2496 ] |
Sa, 23 Oktober 2004 02:40 |
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Well, for my intents and purposes it works. I just had to check something
out for curiosity since I will be using it tomorrow. I have a "metric wonder
cup" I set it to 1 Ounce and I took my measuring spoons and spooned in
exactly 6 teaspoons of sugar (dry) and it filled the 1-ounce to perfection
(dry).
So, I'm not sure how you info. fits into this but my 1ounce wet = 6
teaspoons wet and 1 ounce dry = 6 teaspoons dry. The logic I used will
work. 1/4 teaspoon of curing salt per pound should do it . . .
Joe.
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"zxcvbob" <zxcvbob [at] charter.net> wrote in message
news:2tore7F229utcU1 [at] uni-berlin.de...
> No One wrote:
>
> > I've been following this thread because of the curing amounts being
talked
> > about. This weekend my niece and I are going to make about 10 pounds of
> > Italian sausage (the way it was when I was a kid, pork butts, garlic and
> > black pepper and salt only) and a small amount of a different type maybe
a
> > Lithuanian Kielbasa - fresh - not smoked. Anyway, I just bought some
> > sausage stuffers tubes and decided to try a small amount of curing salt.
> > This is what I bought and what it said: The picture may not come
through.
> >
> >
> > Curing Salt 1 oz (Item #632026)
> > (Curing Salt is 6.25% Sodium Nitrate and 93.75% Salt} Used at any time
meat
> > is not immediatley put into freezer or refrigerator, Such as smoking,
air
> > drying, dehumidifying, etc. Cures 25 lbs of meat when mixed into meat
> > Similar to Prague Powder or instacure j
> >
> > A convert program that I use for all kinds of measurements says that 1
ounce
> > equals 6 teaspoons (US) and 5.764xx UK). So, assuming 24 pounds of meat
> > instead of 25 that would be approximately 1/4 teaspoon per pound of
meat.
> > hope this helps to clear up any discrepency.
> >
> > Joe.
>
>
> The only problem with your logic is that 1 *fluid ounce* is 6 tsp. So
> your conversion only works if one fluid ounce of salt weighs 1 ounce
> avoirdupois. It doesn't; it weighs about twice that much.
>
> Ain't English units of measure wonderful?
>
> Best regards,
> Bob
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #2497 ] |
Sa, 23 Oktober 2004 03:17 |
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No One wrote:
> Well, for my intents and purposes it works. I just had to check something
> out for curiosity since I will be using it tomorrow. I have a "metric wonder
> cup" I set it to 1 Ounce and I took my measuring spoons and spooned in
> exactly 6 teaspoons of sugar (dry) and it filled the 1-ounce to perfection
> (dry).
>
> So, I'm not sure how you info. fits into this but my 1ounce wet = 6
> teaspoons wet and 1 ounce dry = 6 teaspoons dry. The logic I used will
> work. 1/4 teaspoon of curing salt per pound should do it . . .
>
> Joe.
Trust me. Use 1 tsp per 5 pounds of meat. 1/4 tsp per pound is a
little too much.
No offense intended, but your measurement test is completely meaningless.
You might wanna read the Meat Smoking and Curing FAQ:
http://www.bbqguide.com/meat_smoking_and_curing_faq.htm
Best regards,
Bob
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #2498 ] |
Sa, 23 Oktober 2004 16:39 |
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"No One" <NoOne [at] 123.com> wrote in news:Hv6dneGRpY1-MeTcRVn-1w [at] comcast.com:
> So, I'm not sure how you info. fits into this but my 1ounce wet = 6
> teaspoons wet and 1 ounce dry = 6 teaspoons dry. The logic I used will
> work. 1/4 teaspoon of curing salt per pound should do it . . .
>
> Joe.
>
Yes; 6 teaspoons = 2 Tablespoons = 1 oz but thats a volume/fluid
measurement not a weight measument.
Your curing salt is not measured by volume/fluid but by weight. (time to
buy a scale). Think tsp of feathers versus a tsp of steel... same volume
differing weights.... a change around from the old riddle which weighs more
a pound of feathers or a pound of lead. As you know they both weigh the
same but have vastly different volumes.
You could measure all your 1 oz of curring salt in your wonder cup and
determine its volume measurement...and work from that measurement or buy a
scale or make 25 lbs of sausage.
Using sugar (as a stand-in) isn't good enough...For one thing the grain
size of your curring salt probably isn't the same size as the grain
size of sugar, so the reading would be off. Also I'm pretty sure curring
salt and sugar of a fixed volume don't weigh the same.
I could be wrong ...but too much curring salt is as dangerous as too
little.
--
Starchless in Manitoba.
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #9132 ] |
Di, 19 Oktober 2004 19:58 |
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Hi JP,
jp schrieb:
> Does anyone have a good Landjager recipe?
>
> It's a German sausage that is more like jerky.
> Supposedly it was used for hunters in Germany.
>
> Sold in the midwest.
>
> Preferably containing venison.
>
> Thank you!
this recipes doesn't contain any venison at all, but you can use venison
instead of beef
Title: Landjaeger home made
Category: Sausages
1 recipe
Ingredients:
700 Gramm lean pork
700 Gramm lean peef
500 Gramm fat pork (back, fresh bacon)
50 Gramm modern cure (2 tbs.)
2 tbs. pepper, white, grounded
1 tbs. caraway seeds, whole seeds, heaped spoon
1 tbs. mustard seeds, heaped spoon
1 tbs. dextrose, heaped spoon
hog casings, small intestines
source:
www.kirchenweb.at
-- Erfasst *RK* 19.10.2004 von
-- Karla Baumann
Preparation:
The meat has to be stored in a freezer about 3 hours before preparation.
Grind the frozen meat coarsly only. Place the ground meat in a non
reactive bowl. Add the cure and spices. Mix about 10 minutes until
well blended, don't use a machine, work with your hands only. Prepare
the casings as usual. Fill the casings with a sausage-stuffing
attachment and grinder, follow the manufacturer's directions. Each
sausage should be 8 inches long. Place pairs of sausages on a clean
wooden board. Place a second board on the top. Use some cans as
weights above. Landjaegers will become flat and rectangle in shape.
After 24 hours place the pairs of sausages in your smoker. Smoke a few
days (cold smoke only) until they are colored very dark reddish brown.
Regards,
Karla
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #9133 ] |
Di, 19 Oktober 2004 20:34 |
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Karla Baumann wrote:
> Hi JP,
> jp schrieb:
>
>> Does anyone have a good Landjager recipe?
>>
>> It's a German sausage that is more like jerky.
>> Supposedly it was used for hunters in Germany.
>>
>> Sold in the midwest.
>>
>> Preferably containing venison.
>>
>> Thank you!
>
>
> this recipes doesn't contain any venison at all, but you can use venison
> instead of beef
>
> Title: Landjaeger home made
> Category: Sausages
> 1 recipe
>
> Ingredients:
> 700 Gramm lean pork
> 700 Gramm lean peef
> 500 Gramm fat pork (back, fresh bacon)
> 50 Gramm modern cure (2 tbs.)
> 2 tbs. pepper, white, grounded
> 1 tbs. caraway seeds, whole seeds, heaped spoon
> 1 tbs. mustard seeds, heaped spoon
> 1 tbs. dextrose, heaped spoon
> hog casings, small intestines
>
>
>
> source:
> www.kirchenweb.at
> -- Erfasst *RK* 19.10.2004 von
> -- Karla Baumann
>
>
> Preparation:
> The meat has to be stored in a freezer about 3 hours before preparation.
> Grind the frozen meat coarsly only. Place the ground meat in a non
> reactive bowl. Add the cure and spices. Mix about 10 minutes until
> well blended, don't use a machine, work with your hands only. Prepare
> the casings as usual. Fill the casings with a sausage-stuffing
> attachment and grinder, follow the manufacturer's directions. Each
> sausage should be 8 inches long. Place pairs of sausages on a clean
> wooden board. Place a second board on the top. Use some cans as
> weights above. Landjaegers will become flat and rectangle in shape.
> After 24 hours place the pairs of sausages in your smoker. Smoke a few
> days (cold smoke only) until they are colored very dark reddish brown.
>
> Regards,
> Karla
This looks like *way* too much of nitrite. Perhaps dangerously so.
"Modern Cure" contains 6+% sodium nitrite (and 93% salt), and should be
used at the rate of about (IIRC) 1 tsp. per 5 pounds of meat.
Two tablespoons of Morton TenderQuick might be about right for 1900
grams of meat, or use 2 scant Tbsp of salt mixed with 1 tsp of Modern
Cure or prague powder.
Using caraway seeds instead of coriander seeds or black pepper is
interesting, and I might have to try it sometime.
I would innoculate this with a salami starter culture, like LHP or
Bactoferm™ FRM-52. The lactic acid produced give the sausage a nice
"tangy" flavor, and it helps make the sausage stable without requiring
refrigeration.
Best regards,
Bob
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #9134 ] |
Di, 19 Oktober 2004 22:17 |
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In de.rec.mampf zxcvbob <zxcvbob [at] charter.net> wrote:
> Karla Baumann wrote:
>> Title: Landjaeger home made
>> Category: Sausages
>> 1 recipe
>>
>> Ingredients:
>> 700 Gramm lean pork
>> 700 Gramm lean peef
>> 500 Gramm fat pork (back, fresh bacon)
>> 50 Gramm modern cure (2 tbs.)
>> 2 tbs. pepper, white, grounded
>> 1 tbs. caraway seeds, whole seeds, heaped spoon
>> 1 tbs. mustard seeds, heaped spoon
>> 1 tbs. dextrose, heaped spoon
>> hog casings, small intestines
>>
>>
>>
>> source:
>> www.kirchenweb.at
>> -- Erfasst *RK* 19.10.2004 von
>> -- Karla Baumann
>>
>>
>> Preparation:
>> The meat has to be stored in a freezer about 3 hours before preparation.
>> Grind the frozen meat coarsly only. Place the ground meat in a non
>> reactive bowl. Add the cure and spices. Mix about 10 minutes until
>> well blended, don't use a machine, work with your hands only. Prepare
>> the casings as usual. Fill the casings with a sausage-stuffing
>> attachment and grinder, follow the manufacturer's directions. Each
>> sausage should be 8 inches long. Place pairs of sausages on a clean
>> wooden board. Place a second board on the top. Use some cans as
>> weights above. Landjaegers will become flat and rectangle in shape.
>> After 24 hours place the pairs of sausages in your smoker. Smoke a few
>> days (cold smoke only) until they are colored very dark reddish brown.
>>
>> Regards,
>> Karla
>
>
> This looks like *way* too much of nitrite. Perhaps dangerously so.
>
> "Modern Cure" contains 6+% sodium nitrite (and 93% salt), and should be
> used at the rate of about (IIRC) 1 tsp. per 5 pounds of meat.
>
> Two tablespoons of Morton TenderQuick might be about right for 1900
> grams of meat, or use 2 scant Tbsp of salt mixed with 1 tsp of Modern
> Cure or prague powder.
>
> Using caraway seeds instead of coriander seeds or black pepper is
> interesting, and I might have to try it sometime.
>
> I would innoculate this with a salami starter culture, like LHP or
> Bactoferm™ FRM-52. The lactic acid produced give the sausage a nice
> "tangy" flavor, and it helps make the sausage stable without requiring
> refrigeration.
>
I was curious and looked up the recipe and then for the amount of
nitrite in the original "Poekelsalz".
E.g. on
http://www.esco-salt.com/produkte/speisesalz-lieferprogramm- poekel.cfm
they list either 0.4-0.5 or 0.8-0.9 % sodium nitrite for their
Poekelsalz
Same at http://ww.aula.at/pages/aula-nit.htm. The highest percentace is
0.6 %.
So the amount of 50 g is correct, we use just a much weaker
concetentration of nitrite.
Ciao
Carmen
--
Carmen Bartels elfgar [at] ATP, elfgar [at] Xyllomer
caba [at] squirrel.han.de caba [at] irc
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #9135 ] |
Do, 21 Oktober 2004 06:01 |
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I've been following this thread because of the curing amounts being talked
about. This weekend my niece and I are going to make about 10 pounds of
Italian sausage (the way it was when I was a kid, pork butts, garlic and
black pepper and salt only) and a small amount of a different type maybe a
Lithuanian Kielbasa - fresh - not smoked. Anyway, I just bought some
sausage stuffers tubes and decided to try a small amount of curing salt.
This is what I bought and what it said: The picture may not come through.
Curing Salt 1 oz (Item #632026)
(Curing Salt is 6.25% Sodium Nitrate and 93.75% Salt} Used at any time meat
is not immediatley put into freezer or refrigerator, Such as smoking, air
drying, dehumidifying, etc. Cures 25 lbs of meat when mixed into meat
Similar to Prague Powder or instacure j
A convert program that I use for all kinds of measurements says that 1 ounce
equals 6 teaspoons (US) and 5.764xx UK). So, assuming 24 pounds of meat
instead of 25 that would be approximately 1/4 teaspoon per pound of meat.
hope this helps to clear up any discrepency.
Joe.
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"jp" <laslow_g [at] hotmail.com> wrote in message
news:d9c8ca35.0410182249.7dd52b4 [at] posting.google.com...
> Does anyone have a good Landjager recipe?
>
> It's a German sausage that is more like jerky.
> Supposedly it was used for hunters in Germany.
>
> Sold in the midwest.
>
> Preferably containing venison.
>
> Thank you!
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #9136 ] |
Do, 21 Oktober 2004 06:15 |
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No One wrote:
> I've been following this thread because of the curing amounts being talked
> about. This weekend my niece and I are going to make about 10 pounds of
> Italian sausage (the way it was when I was a kid, pork butts, garlic and
> black pepper and salt only) and a small amount of a different type maybe a
> Lithuanian Kielbasa - fresh - not smoked. Anyway, I just bought some
> sausage stuffers tubes and decided to try a small amount of curing salt.
> This is what I bought and what it said: The picture may not come through.
>
>
> Curing Salt 1 oz (Item #632026)
> (Curing Salt is 6.25% Sodium Nitrate and 93.75% Salt} Used at any time meat
> is not immediatley put into freezer or refrigerator, Such as smoking, air
> drying, dehumidifying, etc. Cures 25 lbs of meat when mixed into meat
> Similar to Prague Powder or instacure j
>
> A convert program that I use for all kinds of measurements says that 1 ounce
> equals 6 teaspoons (US) and 5.764xx UK). So, assuming 24 pounds of meat
> instead of 25 that would be approximately 1/4 teaspoon per pound of meat.
> hope this helps to clear up any discrepency.
>
> Joe.
The only problem with your logic is that 1 *fluid ounce* is 6 tsp. So
your conversion only works if one fluid ounce of salt weighs 1 ounce
avoirdupois. It doesn't; it weighs about twice that much.
Ain't English units of measure wonderful?
Best regards,
Bob
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #9137 ] |
Do, 21 Oktober 2004 07:13 |
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No One wrote:
>[...]
>Curing Salt 1 oz (Item #632026)
>(Curing Salt is 6.25% Sodium Nitrate and 93.75% Salt}=20
>
That looks like regular pink salt/modern cure.
But I wish you would refrain from posting pictures in a "text only" NG.
Germans are not as forgiving about that as the Yanks.
Things go to hell in a handbasket at a little slower pace, Mickey'Ds and =
WallyMart is enough for the moment. :-)
>Used at any time meat
>is not immediatley put into freezer or refrigerator, Such as smoking, a=
ir
>drying, dehumidifying, etc. Cures 25 lbs of meat when mixed into meat
>Similar to Prague Powder or instacure j
>
>A convert program that I use for all kinds of measurements says that 1 o=
unce
>equals 6 teaspoons (US) and 5.764xx UK). So, assuming 24 pounds of meat=
>instead of 25 that would be approximately 1/4 teaspoon per pound of meat=
=2E
>hope this helps to clear up any discrepency.
>
That is hogwash, a US Tablespoon will hold 1/2 an ounce by volume and 3=20
teaspoons by volume.
Salt usually weighs the volume.
And so does water.
If you don't have US measuring spoons, buy a scale and weigh that stuff, =
unless you have a deathwish.
BTW, what does the modern cure do in Italian Sausages anyway, they will=20
last without problems for at least a couple of daty.
Provided you know about sanitation/sticky fingers/&temps-always below =20
40F. Colder is better. Partially freeze your meat before grinding, work=20
fast, sanitary and cold.
Who wants to eat pink pork, too much explainin to do with dem Yanks.
--=20
Grue$$e.
C=3D=A6-)=A7 H. W. Hans Kuntze, CMC, S.g.K. (_o_)
" Strive for excellence in your life & reject being a doormat to others. =
Serve God. "
http://www.cmcchef.com , chef1 [at] cmcchef.com
_/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/ _/=20
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #9138 ] |
Do, 21 Oktober 2004 17:14 |
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Everyone,
Thanks for the wealth of info. I'm planning on turning some of
my venison into Landjaeger as soon as I get it from the meat locker.
Now I have something to do with all that ground venison. I never
did like the deer sticks from the meat locker, they seemed too
greasy, probably too much pork in them.
In the past I have bought it in the Amana Colonies in Iowa, USA
which is a German themed group of small towns. Unfortunately
it's expensive there, and only available at one store.
I also found this recipe online:
http://home.pacbell.net/lpoli/index_files/landjaeger.pdf
Thanks everyone!
Jay
"H. W. Hans Kuntze" <hans [at] chef.net> wrote in message news:<2tourpF220bf9U1 [at] uni-berlin.de>...
> No One wrote:
>
> >[...]
> >Curing Salt 1 oz (Item #632026)
> >(Curing Salt is 6.25% Sodium Nitrate and 93.75% Salt}
> >
> That looks like regular pink salt/modern cure.
> But I wish you would refrain from posting pictures in a "text only" NG.
> Germans are not as forgiving about that as the Yanks.
> Things go to hell in a handbasket at a little slower pace, Mickey'Ds and
>
> WallyMart is enough for the moment. :-)
>
> >Used at any time meat
> >is not immediatley put into freezer or refrigerator, Such as smoking, a
> ir
> >drying, dehumidifying, etc. Cures 25 lbs of meat when mixed into meat
> >Similar to Prague Powder or instacure j
> >
> >A convert program that I use for all kinds of measurements says that 1 o
> unce
> >equals 6 teaspoons (US) and 5.764xx UK). So, assuming 24 pounds of meat
>
> >instead of 25 that would be approximately 1/4 teaspoon per pound of meat
> .
> >hope this helps to clear up any discrepency.
> >
> That is hogwash, a US Tablespoon will hold 1/2 an ounce by volume and 3
> teaspoons by volume.
> Salt usually weighs the volume.
> And so does water.
> If you don't have US measuring spoons, buy a scale and weigh that stuff,
>
> unless you have a deathwish.
>
> BTW, what does the modern cure do in Italian Sausages anyway, they will
> last without problems for at least a couple of daty.
> Provided you know about sanitation/sticky fingers/&temps-always below
> 40F. Colder is better. Partially freeze your meat before grinding, work
> fast, sanitary and cold.
>
> Who wants to eat pink pork, too much explainin to do with dem Yanks.
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #9139 ] |
Sa, 23 Oktober 2004 02:40 |
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Well, for my intents and purposes it works. I just had to check something
out for curiosity since I will be using it tomorrow. I have a "metric wonder
cup" I set it to 1 Ounce and I took my measuring spoons and spooned in
exactly 6 teaspoons of sugar (dry) and it filled the 1-ounce to perfection
(dry).
So, I'm not sure how you info. fits into this but my 1ounce wet = 6
teaspoons wet and 1 ounce dry = 6 teaspoons dry. The logic I used will
work. 1/4 teaspoon of curing salt per pound should do it . . .
Joe.
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"zxcvbob" <zxcvbob [at] charter.net> wrote in message
news:2tore7F229utcU1 [at] uni-berlin.de...
> No One wrote:
>
> > I've been following this thread because of the curing amounts being
talked
> > about. This weekend my niece and I are going to make about 10 pounds of
> > Italian sausage (the way it was when I was a kid, pork butts, garlic and
> > black pepper and salt only) and a small amount of a different type maybe
a
> > Lithuanian Kielbasa - fresh - not smoked. Anyway, I just bought some
> > sausage stuffers tubes and decided to try a small amount of curing salt.
> > This is what I bought and what it said: The picture may not come
through.
> >
> >
> > Curing Salt 1 oz (Item #632026)
> > (Curing Salt is 6.25% Sodium Nitrate and 93.75% Salt} Used at any time
meat
> > is not immediatley put into freezer or refrigerator, Such as smoking,
air
> > drying, dehumidifying, etc. Cures 25 lbs of meat when mixed into meat
> > Similar to Prague Powder or instacure j
> >
> > A convert program that I use for all kinds of measurements says that 1
ounce
> > equals 6 teaspoons (US) and 5.764xx UK). So, assuming 24 pounds of meat
> > instead of 25 that would be approximately 1/4 teaspoon per pound of
meat.
> > hope this helps to clear up any discrepency.
> >
> > Joe.
>
>
> The only problem with your logic is that 1 *fluid ounce* is 6 tsp. So
> your conversion only works if one fluid ounce of salt weighs 1 ounce
> avoirdupois. It doesn't; it weighs about twice that much.
>
> Ain't English units of measure wonderful?
>
> Best regards,
> Bob
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #9140 ] |
Sa, 23 Oktober 2004 03:17 |
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No One wrote:
> Well, for my intents and purposes it works. I just had to check something
> out for curiosity since I will be using it tomorrow. I have a "metric wonder
> cup" I set it to 1 Ounce and I took my measuring spoons and spooned in
> exactly 6 teaspoons of sugar (dry) and it filled the 1-ounce to perfection
> (dry).
>
> So, I'm not sure how you info. fits into this but my 1ounce wet = 6
> teaspoons wet and 1 ounce dry = 6 teaspoons dry. The logic I used will
> work. 1/4 teaspoon of curing salt per pound should do it . . .
>
> Joe.
Trust me. Use 1 tsp per 5 pounds of meat. 1/4 tsp per pound is a
little too much.
No offense intended, but your measurement test is completely meaningless.
You might wanna read the Meat Smoking and Curing FAQ:
http://www.bbqguide.com/meat_smoking_and_curing_faq.htm
Best regards,
Bob
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| Re: Landjager recipe? [message #9141 ] |
Sa, 23 Oktober 2004 16:39 |
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"No One" <NoOne [at] 123.com> wrote in news:Hv6dneGRpY1-MeTcRVn-1w [at] comcast.com:
> So, I'm not sure how you info. fits into this but my 1ounce wet = 6
> teaspoons wet and 1 ounce dry = 6 teaspoons dry. The logic I used will
> work. 1/4 teaspoon of curing salt per pound should do it . . .
>
> Joe.
>
Yes; 6 teaspoons = 2 Tablespoons = 1 oz but thats a volume/fluid
measurement not a weight measument.
Your curing salt is not measured by volume/fluid but by weight. (time to
buy a scale). Think tsp of feathers versus a tsp of steel... same volume
differing weights.... a change around from the old riddle which weighs more
a pound of feathers or a pound of lead. As you know they both weigh the
same but have vastly different volumes.
You could measure all your 1 oz of curring salt in your wonder cup and
determine its volume measurement...and work from that measurement or buy a
scale or make 25 lbs of sausage.
Using sugar (as a stand-in) isn't good enough...For one thing the grain
size of your curring salt probably isn't the same size as the grain
size of sugar, so the reading would be off. Also I'm pretty sure curring
salt and sugar of a fixed volume don't weigh the same.
I could be wrong ...but too much curring salt is as dangerous as too
little.
--
Starchless in Manitoba.
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