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| OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #279347] |
So, 21 Mai 2006 20:58 |
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Finally, Oprah will be visiting the Nazi death camp, Auschwitz, with
Elie Wiesel, whose book, NIGHT told the story of his journey with his
family from deportation to Auschwitz. This book was one of the most
touching books I have ever read. It is only about 120 pages of less
and another who can get a copy before Wed., should and read it.
Oprah will accompany Elie back, his first time returning to the death
camp. I am sure it will be a very touching story and the story will be
covered on both Wed. and Thursday.
Visit the links below and then below that is a direct quote from Elie:
http://www2.oprah.com/newsletter/obcnews/newsletter_night_20 060519.html
http://boards.oprah.com/WebX?13 [at] [at] .f107d18!DYNID=
"Never shall I forget that night, the first night in camp, which has
turned my life into one long night, seven times cursed and seven times
sealed. Never shall I forget that smoke. Never shall I forget the
little faces of the children, whose bodies I saw turned into wreaths
of smoke beneath a silent blue sky.
Never shall I forget those flames which consumed my faith forever.
Never shall I forget that nocturnal silence which deprived me, for all
eternity, of the desire to live. Never shall I forget those moments
which murdered my God and my soul and turned my dreams to dust. Never
shall I forget these things, even if I am condemned to live as long as
God Himself. Never."--Elie Weisel
ABOUT THE BOOK
Night
ANNOTATION
An autobiographical narrative in which the author describes his
experiences in Nazi concentration camps, watching family and friends
die, and how they led him to believe that God is dead.
FROM THE PUBLISHER
A New Translation From The French By Marion Wiesel
Night is Elie Wiesel’s masterpiece, a candid, horrific, and deeply
poignant autobiographical account of his survival as a teenager in the
Nazi death camps. This new translation by Marion Wiesel, Elie’s wife
and frequent translator, presents this seminal memoir in the language
and spirit truest to the author’s original intent. And in a
substantive new preface, Elie reflects on the enduring importance of
Night and his lifelong, passionate dedication to ensuring that the
world never forgets man’s capacity for inhumanity to man.
Night offers much more than a litany of the daily terrors, everyday
perversions, and rampant sadism at Auschwitz and Buchenwald; it also
eloquently addresses many of the philosophical as well as personal
questions implicit in any serious consideration of what the Holocaust
was, what it meant, and what its legacy is and will be.
Author Bio: Elie Wiesel is the internationally celebrated author,
Nobel laureate, and spokesperson for humanity whose decision to
dedicate his life to bearing witness for the Holocaust's martyrs and
survivors found its earliest and most enduring voice in Night, his
penetrating and profound account of the Nazi death camps. Born in the
town of Sighet, Transylvania, he was a teenager when he and his family
were taken from their home in 1944 to the Auschwitz concentration
camp, and then to Buchenwald. Night is the terrifying record of Elie
Wiesel's memories of the death of his family, the death of his own
innocence, and his despair as a deeply observant Jew confronting the
absolute evil of man.
Elie Wiesel is the author of more than forty internationally acclaimed
works of fiction and nonfiction. He has been awarded the Presidential
Medal of Freedom, the United States of America Congressional Gold
Medal, the French Legion of Honor, and, in 1986, the Nobel Peace
Prize. He is the Andrew W. Mellon Professor in the Humanities and
University Professor at Boston University.
'Quod scripsi scripsi' - 'What I have written I have Written.'-- Pontius Pilate
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #279355 ] |
So, 21 Mai 2006 21:10 |
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FERRANTE wrote:
> Finally, Oprah will be visiting the Nazi death camp, Auschwitz, with
> Elie Wiesel, whose book, NIGHT told the story of his journey with his
> family from deportation to Auschwitz. This book was one of the most
> touching books I have ever read. It is only about 120 pages of less
> and another who can get a copy before Wed., should and read it.
I wonder if she will go during regular visiting hours or if she will show up after
it is closed for the day and expect them to stay open just for her because she is
rich.
If they don't she might boycott it and have her staff accuse them of being racist.
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #279424 ] |
Mo, 22 Mai 2006 00:33 |
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #279429 ] |
Mo, 22 Mai 2006 00:48 |
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #279436 ] |
Mo, 22 Mai 2006 00:59 |
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gr8tful wrote:
> ?
Did I lose you?
She was all bent out of shape last year when she showed up
after closing time at the Hermes store and expected them to
kiss her butt because she is rich and famous.
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #279507 ] |
Mo, 22 Mai 2006 04:37 |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> gr8tful wrote:
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> > ?
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> Did I lose you?
> She was all bent out of shape last year when she showed up
> after closing time at the Hermes store and expected them to
> kiss her butt because she is rich and famous.
Yes, she thought since she's "famous" in the US, that everyone in Paris
should know her and bow and scrap to her every wish. GAG
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #279581 ] |
Mo, 22 Mai 2006 13:33 |
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Steve Wertz wrote:
> ObFood: 100 (or so) clove garlic chicken
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> -sw
No way!
It must not be a "first date" night :)
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Reg
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #279653 ] |
Mo, 22 Mai 2006 17:59 |
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itsjoannotjoann wrote:
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> > Did I lose you?
> > She was all bent out of shape last year when she showed up
> > after closing time at the Hermes store and expected them to
> > kiss her butt because she is rich and famous.
>
> Yes, she thought since she's "famous" in the US, that everyone in Paris
> should know her and bow and scrap to her every wish. GAG
Maybe she is used to people kissing her ass in the US because she is rich
and famous, but she is in a store frequented by the rich and famous, most
of would not know or care who she is.
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #279672 ] |
Mo, 22 Mai 2006 18:44 |
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Reg wrote:
> Steve Wertz wrote:
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>> ObFood: 100 (or so) clove garlic chicken
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>> -sw
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> No way!
>
> It must not be a "first date" night :)
>
You can get away with it if you "both" eat it. LOL
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Cheers
Chatty Cathy
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #279796 ] |
Mo, 22 Mai 2006 23:09 |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> itsjoannotjoann wrote:
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> >
> > > Did I lose you?
> > > She was all bent out of shape last year when she showed up
> > > after closing time at the Hermes store and expected them to
> > > kiss her butt because she is rich and famous.
> >
> > Yes, she thought since she's "famous" in the US, that everyone in Paris
> > should know her and bow and scrap to her every wish. GAG
>
> Maybe she is used to people kissing her ass in the US because she is rich
> and famous, but she is in a store frequented by the rich and famous, most
> of would not know or care who she is.
Doh' prah is an absolutely *insufferable* presence (and living in
Chicawgo it's "Oprah this, Oprah that..."), I wish she'd blow her
pumped - up self up and float awaaaaaay...
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Best
Greg
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #279806 ] |
Mo, 22 Mai 2006 23:31 |
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>It'll probably turn out that the Author has never even been to
>Auschwitz and it's all a hoax.
Obviously you are kidding. You really could not be that stupid..could
you?
Mark Ferrante
'Quod scripsi scripsi' - 'What I have written I have Written.'-- Pontius Pilate
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281010 ] |
Di, 23 Mai 2006 04:09 |
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FERRANTE wrote:
>> It'll probably turn out that the Author has never even been to
>> Auschwitz and it's all a hoax.
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> Obviously you are kidding. You really could not be that stupid..could
> you?
Not as much as others, maybe.
<a million little pieces of sarcasm>
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281173 ] |
Di, 23 Mai 2006 18:26 |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> itsjoannotjoann wrote:
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> >
> > > Did I lose you?
> > > She was all bent out of shape last year when she showed up
> > > after closing time at the Hermes store and expected them to
> > > kiss her butt because she is rich and famous.
> >
> > Yes, she thought since she's "famous" in the US, that everyone in Paris
> > should know her and bow and scrap to her every wish. GAG
>
> Maybe she is used to people kissing her ass in the US because she is rich
> and famous, but she is in a store frequented by the rich and famous, most
> of would not know or care who she is.
Well they damn well better care who she is. She's the richest African
American of the 20th century and Forbes international rich list has
ranked her as the world's ONLY black billionaire for the past three
straight years. In addition, she's the Queen of all Media and the
American people elected her the Greatest Woman in American History in a
massive election conducted last year by Discovery Channel and AOL.
That people at that store were fools to behave that way around Oprah.
What kind of FUCKING IDIOT doesn't care who Oprah is? The CEO of Hermes
personally went on international TV to apologoize for the scandal and
was truly embarassed for the ignorance his store displayed.
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281193 ] |
Di, 23 Mai 2006 19:32 |
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memory705 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> > Maybe she is used to people kissing her ass in the US because she is rich
> > and famous, but she is in a store frequented by the rich and famous, most
> > of would not know or care who she is.
>
> Well they damn well better care who she is. She's the richest African
> American of the 20th century and Forbes international rich list has
> ranked her as the world's ONLY black billionaire for the past three
> straight years. In addition, she's the Queen of all Media and the
> American people elected her the Greatest Woman in American History in a
> massive election conducted last year by Discovery Channel and AOL.
No. They don't need to know who she is. They probably don't care if she is the
only black billionaire. It is a store that caters to the rich and famous, most
of whom have the decency to come to the store during business hours or to make
arrangements ahead of time instead of showing up after hours when they are busy
with some other promotion and then whining about racism. She showed herself to
be lacking in the style and sophistication befitting a billionaire.
> That people at that store were fools to behave that way around Oprah.
> What kind of FUCKING IDIOT doesn't care who Oprah is?
The fucking idiots are those who whine they gots to open da store because she
be a rich bitch.
> The CEO of Hermes
> personally went on international TV to apologoize for the scandal and
> was truly embarassed for the ignorance his store displayed.
Darn. I missed that. It must have been too prominent for me to catch. Or was it
just shown on the scandal rag shows that attract Oprah fans.
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281199 ] |
Di, 23 Mai 2006 20:02 |
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then i must be a fucking idiot because i dont give a flying fart about
that fat, overbearing, megalomaniac!!!
how many rich and famous people do you know that have their own
magazine? named after them and actually put pictures of themselves on
the cover just about EVERY issue??
SHIT! her association with that baldheaded fatass Dr Phill is enough to
make any "normal" person puke.
and if you dont agree with her then you are automatically a racist. if i
was the owner of that store or any store i wouldnt let her in at all
just because i dont like her personally, her viewpoints, her show, her
hairstyle and really, who cares about all her diets which she seems to
be going on and off of? she lose weight like i lose underwear and for
the same reason...they get old and dirty, but no matter what diet she is
on she always get fatter after a awhile, you would think with all her
"BILLIONS" she would get lipo or have that fat stomach of her stapled or
something.
whats next? The Oprah Religion? The Da Oprah Code? Brokeback Oprah?
Grizzman
memory705 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> Dave Smith wrote:
>> itsjoannotjoann wrote:
>>
>>>> Did I lose you?
>>>> She was all bent out of shape last year when she showed up
>>>> after closing time at the Hermes store and expected them to
>>>> kiss her butt because she is rich and famous.
>>> Yes, she thought since she's "famous" in the US, that everyone in Paris
>>> should know her and bow and scrap to her every wish. GAG
>> Maybe she is used to people kissing her ass in the US because she is rich
>> and famous, but she is in a store frequented by the rich and famous, most
>> of would not know or care who she is.
>
> Well they damn well better care who she is. She's the richest African
> American of the 20th century and Forbes international rich list has
> ranked her as the world's ONLY black billionaire for the past three
> straight years. In addition, she's the Queen of all Media and the
> American people elected her the Greatest Woman in American History in a
> massive election conducted last year by Discovery Channel and AOL.
>
> That people at that store were fools to behave that way around Oprah.
> What kind of FUCKING IDIOT doesn't care who Oprah is? The CEO of Hermes
> personally went on international TV to apologoize for the scandal and
> was truly embarassed for the ignorance his store displayed.
>
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281200 ] |
Di, 23 Mai 2006 20:00 |
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> That people at that store were fools to behave that way around Oprah.
> What kind of FUCKING IDIOT doesn't care who Oprah is? The CEO of Hermes
> personally went on international TV to apologoize for the scandal and
> was truly embarassed for the ignorance his store displayed.
>What kind of FUCKING IDIOT doesn't care who Oprah is?
There are no doubt plenty of people that have plenty to gain, and those who
have nothing to gain, that don't care at all. Calling them FI's is silly.
However,
A FI,
Dee Dee
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281211 ] |
Di, 23 Mai 2006 20:07 |
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Grizzman wrote:
> then i must be a fucking idiot because i dont give a flying fart about
> that fat, overbearing, megalomaniac!!!
Exactly. You and a lot of other people. In fact, it may have backfired on
Oprah. People who thought she was a decent person had their eyes opened about
what a skank she really is, expecting people to kiss her ass because she has
money. Let's be realistic. The French aren't crazy about the American nouveau
riches, and to have one whining about not having her ass kissed at a French
institution is more likely to get them brownie points than a boycott.
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281274 ] |
Di, 23 Mai 2006 23:59 |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> memory705 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
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> > > Maybe she is used to people kissing her ass in the US because she is rich
> > > and famous, but she is in a store frequented by the rich and famous, most
> > > of would not know or care who she is.
> >
> > Well they damn well better care who she is. She's the richest African
> > American of the 20th century and Forbes international rich list has
> > ranked her as the world's ONLY black billionaire for the past three
> > straight years. In addition, she's the Queen of all Media and the
> > American people elected her the Greatest Woman in American History in a
> > massive election conducted last year by Discovery Channel and AOL.
>
> No. They don't need to know who she is. They probably don't care if she is the
> only black billionaire. It is a store that caters to the rich and famous, most
> of whom have the decency to come to the store during business hours or to make
> arrangements ahead of time instead of showing up after hours when they are busy
> with some other promotion and then whining about racism. She showed herself to
> be lacking in the style and sophistication befitting a billionaire.
Actually she showed herself in having the backbone, courage,
self-respect and power to force the world of high-end world of retail
to extend the same VIP treatment that rich white celebs routinely enjoy
to the world's ONLY black billionaire and the most influential woman on
Earth. Had it been blond blue eyed Princess Di who showed up 15 minutes
late you can bet your bottom dollar that the doors of Hermes would have
swung right open as the staff announced "Oui, Oiu, Oui, Madamme. We
always have time for you Madame."
Oprah's intelligent enough of to know when she's being snubbed and
there's not a person on this Earth who will treat her like a second
rate celeb and force her to just roll over and take it. Even in a
foreign country where people may not care for Oprah, Oprah DEMANDS to
be treated with the respect her and her people have struggled so long
for.
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281275 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 00:06 |
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<memory705 [at] hotmail.com> wrote
> Actually she showed herself in having the backbone, courage,
> self-respect and power to force the world of high-end world of retail
> to extend the same VIP treatment that rich white celebs routinely enjoy
> to the world's ONLY black billionaire and the most influential woman on
> Earth.
Oh, please, take your pity party to alt.ohi'msodowntrodden.poorme.
nancy
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281282 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 00:06 |
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memory705 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
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> > No. They don't need to know who she is. They probably don't care if she is the
> > only black billionaire. It is a store that caters to the rich and famous, most
> > of whom have the decency to come to the store during business hours or to make
> > arrangements ahead of time instead of showing up after hours when they are busy
> > with some other promotion and then whining about racism. She showed herself to
> > be lacking in the style and sophistication befitting a billionaire.
>
> Actually she showed herself in having the backbone, courage,
> self-respect and power to force the world of high-end world of retail
> to extend the same VIP treatment that rich white celebs routinely enjoy
> to the world's ONLY black billionaire and the most influential woman on
> Earth. Had it been blond blue eyed Princess Di who showed up 15 minutes
> late you can bet your bottom dollar that the doors of Hermes would have
> swung right open as the staff announced "Oui, Oiu, Oui, Madamme. We
> always have time for you Madame."
If you want to speculate that Lady Di would have been welcomed if she showed up late
I will speculate that Lady Di would have called and made arrangements for a private
appointment, and she probably would have had the good manners to accept that they had
something else going on that night and could not accommodate her. That's the
difference between old money and the nouveau riches. That is why the memory of Lady
Di is cherished even in France while most people just think of Oprah as a decent
woman but with an eating disorder.
> Oprah's intelligent enough of to know when she's being snubbed and
> there's not a person on this Earth who will treat her like a second
> rate celeb and force her to just roll over and take it.
For crying out loud she was nit snubbed. She showed up after hours and there as a
function going on. She could have called and made arrangements for a private
appointment.
> Even in a foreign country where people may not care for Oprah, Oprah DEMANDS to
> be treated with the respect her and her people have struggled so long
> for.
Her people? What the hell do her people have to do with it. She was in a foreign
country and she showed up after store hours without an appointment and they were
involved in something at the time. She (or her staff) wanted to make it a race issue
instead of just accepting that she had a bad sense of timing and a serious lack of
manners.
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281343 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 05:12 |
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281357 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 06:03 |
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Craig Welch wrote:
> On 23 May 2006 09:26:53 -0700, memory705 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > That people at that store were fools to behave that way around Oprah.
> >What kind of FUCKING IDIOT doesn't care who Oprah is?
>
> Me, for one.
>
> --
> Craig
Count me in, also; that makes two who don't care.
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281415 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 15:56 |
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> > Actually she showed herself in having the backbone, courage,
> > self-respect and power to force the world of high-end world of retail
> > to extend the same VIP treatment that rich white celebs routinely enjoy
> > to the world's ONLY black billionaire and the most influential woman on
> > Earth. Had it been blond blue eyed Princess Di who showed up 15 minutes
> > late you can bet your bottom dollar that the doors of Hermes would have
> > swung right open as the staff announced "Oui, Oiu, Oui, Madamme. We
> > always have time for you Madame."
>
> If you want to speculate that Lady Di would have been welcomed if she showed up late
> I will speculate that Lady Di would have called and made arrangements for a private
> appointment, and she probably would have had the good manners to accept that they had
> something else going on that night and could not accommodate her. That's the
> difference between old money and the nouveau riches. That is why the memory of Lady
> Di is cherished even in France while most people just think of Oprah as a decent
> woman but with an eating disorder.
Exactly. Oprah will never have the class that others have, and all her
billionaire dollars can't buy it.
N.
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281424 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 16:45 |
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It get much worse....now there people that think this broad should
receive the Nobel Peace Prize.....this is really getting out of hand.
Are peoples lives so pathetic that they now worship this broad?
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196695,00.html
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Mi, 24 Mai 2006 17:07 |
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"Grizzman" <nope [at] noway.com> wrote in message
news:1278s707117qvb9 [at] corp.supernews.com...
> It get much worse....now there people that think this broad should receive
> the Nobel Peace Prize.....this is really getting out of hand. Are peoples
> lives so pathetic that they now worship this broad?
>
> http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196695,00.html
The Nobel Peach (oops - sorry) Prize is not what it used to be. They
didn't even give one to Ghandi, did they?
Now, they'll make up for that oversight --
Didn't she give away a lot of cars? Or was that Queen for a Day -- oh, my!
dating myself!
PEACE!
Dee Dee
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281443 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 17:50 |
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> The Nobel Peach (oops - sorry) Prize is not what it used to be. They
> didn't even give one to Ghandi, did they?
> Now, they'll make up for that oversight --
> Didn't she give away a lot of cars? Or was that Queen for a Day -- oh, my!
> dating myself!
> PEACE!
> Dee Dee
Yea she gave away the cars...the "new" owners of the cars also had to
pay the taxes on the gifts...wonder why Okra didn't pay the taxes? BTW
Elvis also gave away alot of cars but the ones he gave away were
Cadillacs! not some cheesy cheap ass sedans
Grizzman
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281455 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 18:27 |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> memory705 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> > > No. They don't need to know who she is. They probably don't care if she is the
> > > only black billionaire. It is a store that caters to the rich and famous, most
> > > of whom have the decency to come to the store during business hours or to make
> > > arrangements ahead of time instead of showing up after hours when they are busy
> > > with some other promotion and then whining about racism. She showed herself to
> > > be lacking in the style and sophistication befitting a billionaire.
> >
> > Actually she showed herself in having the backbone, courage,
> > self-respect and power to force the world of high-end world of retail
> > to extend the same VIP treatment that rich white celebs routinely enjoy
> > to the world's ONLY black billionaire and the most influential woman on
> > Earth. Had it been blond blue eyed Princess Di who showed up 15 minutes
> > late you can bet your bottom dollar that the doors of Hermes would have
> > swung right open as the staff announced "Oui, Oiu, Oui, Madamme. We
> > always have time for you Madame."
>
> If you want to speculate that Lady Di would have been welcomed if she showed up late
> I will speculate that Lady Di would have called and made arrangements for a private
> appointment, and she probably would have had the good manners to accept that they had
> something else going on that night and could not accommodate her.
Not if it were an emergency she wouldn't have. If Lady Di (like Oprah)
was in last minute need to buy a gift for a friend she was about to
meet, and like Oprah knew exactly which watch she was going to buy, she
most certainly could have arrived late at a store. Do you think Lady Di
or her staff had the formal hours of every store in Europe memorized
and never shows up anywhere unannounced. Don't be absurd. And do
honestly think if Lady Di wanted to dash into a still very active high
end store and make a 2 minute purchase (knowing EXACTLY what she wanted
to buy) she would have been turned away. Keep in mind that high end
stores are KNOWN for being EXTRA accomodating to celebs and VIPs.
The bottom line is that Oprah percieved herself as being the victim a
very subtle form of racism. Subtle because while Oprah was treated no
worse than the majority of whites, she was not given the extra VIP
treatment that so frequently is given to celebs and tycoons of her
stature. Keep in mind that Oprah knows nearly every celebrity and world
leader on this planet and is thus a lot more aware of the kind of perks
they recieve than you are, and thus is looking at this whole issue from
a very different perspective than you might.
That's the
> difference between old money and the nouveau riches. That is why the memory of Lady
> Di is cherished even in France while most people just think of Oprah as a decent
> woman but with an eating disorder.
Actually Oprah is thought of the greatest woman in American history
as evidenced by the fact that she ranked far higher than any American
woman in the massive Greatest American election held by the Discovery
Channel and AOL. I don't know about Europe, but Oprah's show is wildly
popular in North America, the middle East, and parts of Sub-Saharan
Africa.
>
> > Oprah's intelligent enough of to know when she's being snubbed and
> > there's not a person on this Earth who will treat her like a second
> > rate celeb and force her to just roll over and take it.
>
> For crying out loud she was nit snubbed. She showed up after hours and there as a
> function going on. She could have called and made arrangements for a private
> appointment.
Oprah told the CEO of Hermes to his face on international TV that
she's well aware of the difference between a store that is CLOSED and a
store that is CLOSED TO HER. She said the store was not closed but in
the process of closing. The store was still very active. Oprah's
audience was shocked when the CEO implied that the staff didn't
recognize her to which Oprah replied "it shouldn't matter. No one
should be treated rudely."
>
> > Even in a foreign country where people may not care for Oprah, Oprah DEMANDS to
> > be treated with the respect her and her people have struggled so long
> > for.
>
> Her people? What the hell do her people have to do with it. She was in a foreign
> country and she showed up after store hours without an appointment and they were
> involved in something at the time. She (or her staff) wanted to make it a race issue
> instead of just accepting that she had a bad sense of timing and a serious lack of
> manners.
Oprah was told that she coudn't come in and found it humiliating to be
told what she can and can't do. Oprah considered it and assault on her
dignity so she used her power to make the staff tremble all summer long
as she promised to discuss the issue on her show, and then dragged the
CEO of the company on to her set to get the the apology she deserved.
Any other black celeb would have been to cowardly to rock the boat and
would have let the issue drop, but Oprah had the confidence, dignity,
and power to DEMAND the HIGHEST LEVEL of respect, even when showing up
unannounced in foreign countries that may not care who she is. She is
the very personification of self-respect.
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281456 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 18:33 |
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Grizzman wrote:
> > The Nobel Peach (oops - sorry) Prize is not what it used to be. They
> > didn't even give one to Ghandi, did they?
> > Now, they'll make up for that oversight --
> > Didn't she give away a lot of cars? Or was that Queen for a Day -- oh, my!
> > dating myself!
> > PEACE!
> > Dee Dee
>
>
> Yea she gave away the cars...the "new" owners of the cars also had to
> pay the taxes on the gifts...wonder why Okra didn't pay the taxes? BTW
> Elvis also gave away alot of cars but the ones he gave away were
> Cadillacs! not some cheesy cheap ass sedans
Please don't compare Elvis to Oprah. Oprah in addition to getting
companies to give away cars and other goodies, and in addition to
raising million of dollars for women in the Congo, has personally given
a QUARTER BILLION DOLLARS of her OWN MONEY to charity which according
to Business Week's philanthropy list, makes her the most GENEROUS STAR
IN THE WORLD and the MOST GENEROUS BLACK IN AMERICAN HISTORY. And all
this despite being born in extreme poverty, sexually abused etc. In
fact you would be hard pressed to find any one else in WORLD HISTORY
who has come from so little to have given so much as Oprah Winfrey.
I think it's absolute scandal that this woman hasn't recieved a Nobel
Prize yet.
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281459 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 18:44 |
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<memory705 [at] hotmail.com> wrote
> Any other black celeb would have been to cowardly to rock the boat and
> would have let the issue drop, but Oprah had the confidence, dignity,
> and power to DEMAND the HIGHEST LEVEL of respect, even when showing up
> unannounced in foreign countries that may not care who she is. She is
> the very personification of self-respect.
While this whole thing has been quite funny to read, the fact is
the store has a right to be racist if they so choose. Fact is, you'll
see racism or discrimination everywhere if you look for it. Even
black people can be racist, it's true.
Obviously you think the sun rises and sets with Oprah, that's fine,
but there is a whole world of people who really aren't affected by
or even know about her gloriness. Even Oprah must spend part
of her day not thinking about herself.
Doesn't this belong on some Oprah is Great newsgroup?
nancy
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281461 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 18:55 |
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>
> Please don't compare Elvis to Oprah. Oprah in addition to getting
> companies to give away cars and other goodies, and in addition to
> raising million of dollars for women in the Congo, has personally given
> a QUARTER BILLION DOLLARS of her OWN MONEY to charity which according
> to Business Week's philanthropy list, makes her the most GENEROUS STAR
> IN THE WORLD and the MOST GENEROUS BLACK IN AMERICAN HISTORY. And all
> this despite being born in extreme poverty, sexually abused etc. In
> fact you would be hard pressed to find any one else in WORLD HISTORY
> who has come from so little to have given so much as Oprah Winfrey.
You're right; she has come from so little and has given much. I agree.
>
> I think it's absolute scandal that this woman hasn't recieved a Nobel
> Prize yet.
I suppose many entrepeneurs and generous persons have won the prize, so
that shouldn't keep her from winning it; but is it that the
qualification/requirement? Have you already researched it and know the
answer. Please no links.
Let's see now -- is there a Bon Jovi? or some name like that -- -- is he
up for your nomination?
Dee Dee
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281463 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 18:57 |
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"Nancy Young" <qwerty [at] monmouth.com> wrote in message
news:e522gt$7hr$1 [at] news.monmouth.com...
>
> <memory705 [at] hotmail.com> wrote
>
>> Any other black celeb would have been to cowardly to rock the boat and
>> would have let the issue drop, but Oprah had the confidence, dignity,
>> and power to DEMAND the HIGHEST LEVEL of respect, even when showing up
>> unannounced in foreign countries that may not care who she is. She is
>> the very personification of self-respect.
>
> While this whole thing has been quite funny to read, the fact is
> the store has a right to be racist if they so choose. Fact is, you'll
> see racism or discrimination everywhere if you look for it. Even
> black people can be racist, it's true.
>
> Obviously you think the sun rises and sets with Oprah, that's fine,
> but there is a whole world of people who really aren't affected by
> or even know about her gloriness. Even Oprah must spend part
> of her day not thinking about herself.
>
> Doesn't this belong on some Oprah is Great newsgroup?
>
> nancy
I was beginning to think I shouldn't be answering stuff like this myself. I
just finished giving my last opinion on a prize for Oprah. Obviously all
of us are preaching to our own choir.
Out of here,
Dee Dee
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281467 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 19:01 |
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"Dee Randall" <deedovey [at] shentel.net> wrote
> I was beginning to think I shouldn't be answering stuff like this myself.
> I just finished giving my last opinion on a prize for Oprah. Obviously
> all of us are preaching to our own choir.
Yes, I almost followed up to myself, why am I helping this
troll, I don't usually do that. Dummy me.
nancy
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281468 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 18:47 |
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Dee Randall wrote:
> "Grizzman" <nope [at] noway.com> wrote in message
> news:1278s707117qvb9 [at] corp.supernews.com...
> > It get much worse....now there people that think this broad should receive
> > the Nobel Peace Prize.....this is really getting out of hand. Are peoples
> > lives so pathetic that they now worship this broad?
> >
> > http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,196695,00.html
>
> The Nobel Peach (oops - sorry) Prize is not what it used to be. They
> didn't even give one to Ghandi, did they?
> Now, they'll make up for that oversight --
She presents a nice enough persona on her show. She is kind and sympathetic, but
a Nobel Peace Prize candidate she is not. I would vote for her over Martha
Stewart.
>
> Didn't she give away a lot of cars? Or was that Queen for a Day -- oh, my!
> dating myself!
She didn't give away cars. GM gave away the cars. It was a giant promotion on
GM's part and Oprah was the star vehicle they used. It wasn't as if she bought
the cars and gave them away.
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281475 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 18:56 |
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memory705 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
> The bottom line is that Oprah percieved herself as being the victim a
> very subtle form of racism. Subtle because while Oprah was treated no
> worse than the majority of whites, she was not given the extra VIP
> treatment that so frequently is given to celebs and tycoons of her
> stature. Keep in mind that Oprah knows nearly every celebrity and world
> leader on this planet and is thus a lot more aware of the kind of perks
> they recieve than you are, and thus is looking at this whole issue from
> a very different perspective than you might.
The bottom line is that some people cry racism instead of accepting that they displayed bad
manners themselves. Oprah could only know the sorts of perks that celebrities receive
because she got so many of them herself in the past. People that get perks don't usually go
around bragging about them to other celebrities. They save that for us peons, but they keep
quiet around other celebrities because they don't want to find out the other person did
better.
>
>
> That's the
> > difference between old money and the nouveau riches. That is why the memory of Lady
> > Di is cherished even in France while most people just think of Oprah as a decent
> > woman but with an eating disorder.
>
> Actually Oprah is thought of the greatest woman in American history
> as evidenced by the fact that she ranked far higher than any American
> woman in the massive Greatest American election held by the Discovery
> Channel and AOL.
OK. She got a lot of votes from a lot of people who watch too much television.
> Oprah was told that she coudn't come in and found it humiliating to be
> told what she can and can't do.
It sounds more like the humiliation came from her not being recognized.
> Oprah considered it and assault on her
> dignity
Assault on her dignity? That is silly hyperbole.
> Any other black celeb would have been to cowardly to rock the boat and
> would have let the issue drop,
Any other celebrity would have been dignified enough to let it drop.
> but Oprah had the confidence, dignity,
> and power to DEMAND the HIGHEST LEVEL of respect, even when showing up
> unannounced in foreign countries that may not care who she is. She is
> the very personification of self-respect.
Naw. She just wants everyone to kiss her ass because she is rich.
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281483 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 19:28 |
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memory705 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>
> Please don't compare Elvis to Oprah. Oprah in addition to getting
> companies to give away cars and other goodies,
she gave the cars to her "studio audience"! which is a selective
audience. now tell how that is helping the poor, downtrodden, folks that
don't have the money to fly to and visit her shows?
> and in addition to
> raising million of dollars for women in the Congo,
which has gone into the pockets of corrupt politicians...where is all
the good to be shown for this? in case you didn't know, the Congo is
STILL one of the worse places on the earth, military dictatorships,
coup's going on all the time etc....millions of dollars can go a long
long way in a poor country so show me or us where all the good that this
money has done beside making the wealthy rulers wealthier.
> has personally given
> a QUARTER BILLION DOLLARS of her OWN MONEY to charity which according
> to Business Week's philanthropy list, makes her the most GENEROUS STAR
> IN THE WORLD and the MOST GENEROUS BLACK IN AMERICAN HISTORY.
all of which creates a nice write off and tax shelter for the richest
woman in the world and as for the "list" hahaha, okra is number 32 out
of 50...kinda low on the list huh? here is the link..
http://www.businessweek.com/pdfs/2005/0548_philsco.pdf
hell, Ruth Lilly is #12 and she gave 362% of her net worth to causes
where okra has given 18%. and since when is she a star? just because you
have talk show, a crappy Broadway show of an old and terrible movie
doesn't make you a star. even the list doesn't say she is a star just
that her background is Harpo Chairman, not chairwoman or
chairperson...see even BW has understands that she wears the pants and
not even her so called demented husband Steadman. i say demented because
nobody in there right mind would marry okra for love just for money. i
wonder what their prenup is like?
> And all
> this despite being born in extreme poverty, sexually abused etc. In
> fact you would be hard pressed to find any one else in WORLD HISTORY
> who has come from so little to have given so much as Oprah Winfrey.
she got lucky thats all, as is the case in alot of peoples, stars,
businesspersons etc...cases. she had absolutely NO talent. it just goes
to show what marketing can do.
> I think it's absolute scandal that this woman hasn't received a Nobel
> Prize yet.
maybe we should have Ken Star look into it or at the very least a
congressional sub committee or something. a Nobel prize is not something
that is campaigned for.
As for comparing Elvis to okra, The King gave more in his music to
people than okra does even if she gave all of her money to charities.
Grizzman
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281489 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 19:50 |
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Nancy Young wrote on 24 May 2006 in rec.food.cooking
> She is
> > the very personification of self-respect.
>
Then she should respect that they were busy. Money and TV exposure won't
get you everything.
--
-Alan
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281490 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 19:54 |
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Dave Smith wrote:
> memory705 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>
> > The bottom line is that Oprah percieved herself as being the victim a
> > very subtle form of racism. Subtle because while Oprah was treated no
> > worse than the majority of whites, she was not given the extra VIP
> > treatment that so frequently is given to celebs and tycoons of her
> > stature. Keep in mind that Oprah knows nearly every celebrity and world
> > leader on this planet and is thus a lot more aware of the kind of perks
> > they recieve than you are, and thus is looking at this whole issue from
> > a very different perspective than you might.
>
> The bottom line is that some people cry racism instead of accepting that they displayed bad
> manners themselves.
Bad manners? Oprah was in desperate need to buy a last minute gift and
had hoped that a store that she had given an obscene amount of business
to (and even once promoted in her hyper-influential magazine) could do
her the tiny favour of allowing her to dash in and a buy a very
specific watch. It was bad manners or ignorance (or worse) on the part
of the store to not suffer this minor inconvenience.
Oprah has never implied racism at any other time in her career. Many
black celebs (i.e. OJ, Michael Jackson) claim racism when they are in
career threatening, potentially life ruining states of extreme
desperation, but Oprah has never before implied racism (not even when
being sued by a bunch of good ol' boys in Texas who got their asses
kicked by her).
The fact that Oprah herself would draw attention to such a trivial and
unimportant event suggests to me she honestly believed there was some
racial double standard at work, and her opinion is supported by volumes
of statistical research showing blacks in fact do recieve worse
treatment in high-end stores, the well known fact that celebs get extra
perks, and the well known reputation of Paris retail as being very
snobby (racism is of course the most ancient, universal and primal form
of snobbery of all).
Oprah knows how many people struggled so that a woman could be the
world's only black billionaire and a black could be the world's most
powerful woman. She has a responsibility to hold her head up high and
not allow some hoity-clerk to get away with ordering her to leave a
store. Oprah pictures her slave ancestors watching and saying "Oprah,
you the richest and most powerful black the world has ever seen. You
can't let some hoity-toity white clerk get way with telling you you
can't come in"
And so Oprah sent her best friend on a massive publicity tour that
caused a media frenzy so international that the store located thousands
of miles from Oprah's chicago base was forced to respond. The clerk
might have hoped "some mildly overweight middle aged black woman, how
powerful can she be, why should we inconvenience ourself-even if she
claims racism, who will listen?"
Well she's so powerful she grabbed the CEO of that multibillion dollar
corporation by the balls, and dragged him onto international TV to kiss
her ass and apologize profusely for his "rude" staff while she sat
dignified on her throne before an audience of admirers. She's so
powerful that the staff was forced to attend sensetivity training.
So the French don't know who Oprah is. Well now they do, and will think
twice before denying her the royal treatment, and that goes for every
other country in the world to boot.
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281495 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 20:09 |
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"Mr Libido Incognito" <Not [at] vaild.null> wrote
> Nancy Young wrote on 24 May 2006 in rec.food.cooking
>
>> She is
>> > the very personification of self-respect.
> Then she should respect that they were busy. Money and TV exposure won't
> get you everything.
I didn't say that.
nancy
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| Re: OT: Oprah at Auschwitz (Wed and Thur) [message #281511 ] |
Mi, 24 Mai 2006 20:38 |
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memory705 [at] hotmail.com wrote:
>
> >
> > The bottom line is that some people cry racism instead of accepting that they displayed bad
> > manners themselves.
>
> Bad manners? Oprah was in desperate need to buy a last minute gift and
> had hoped that a store that she had given an obscene amount of business
> to (and even once promoted in her hyper-influential magazine) could do
> her the tiny favour of allowing her to dash in and a buy a very
> specific watch. It was bad manners or ignorance (or worse) on the part
> of the store to not suffer this minor inconvenience.
While Oprah was in desperate need to buy a present that she had not bothered to get, or to have
one of her entourage pick up for here during regular business hours, the Hermes staff was busy
getting ready for another function. I appreciate that Oprah may have been busy, she had
assistants with her, and one of her PAs could have run the errand.
> Oprah has never implied racism at any other time in her career.
And I never said that she said it was racism. A comment to the effect that they would have stayed
open for her if she was white was made by one of her entourage.
> The fact that Oprah herself would draw attention to such a trivial and
> unimportant event suggests to me she honestly believed there was some
> racial double standard at work, and her opinion is supported by volumes
> of statistical research showing blacks in fact do recieve worse
You keep avoiding some relevant issues, that they were busy with another functioned, one that had
been pre-arranged, unlike her last minute pop in.
> She has a responsibility to hold her head up high and
> not allow some hoity-clerk to get away with ordering her to leave a
> store. Oprah pictures her slave ancestors watching and saying "Oprah,
> you the richest and most powerful black the world has ever seen. You
> can't let some hoity-toity white clerk get way with telling you you
> can't come in"
Ahh..... so it was because it was a white sales clerk that got all hoity-toity on her. I see. So
it is the hoity toity white clerk who was the racist.
> Well she's so powerful she grabbed the CEO of that multibillion dollar
> corporation by the balls, and dragged him onto international TV to kiss
> her ass and apologize profusely for his "rude" staff while she sat
> dignified on her throne before an audience of admirers. She's so
> powerful that the staff was forced to attend sensetivity training.
Or is she such a bitch that they said they would do it to shut her up?
> So the French don't know who Oprah is. Well now they do,
Yep. They will think of her as the black American bitch who got expected French people do kiss
her ass. From the discussions I have heard on the topic, her reaction turned more people off than
on. The only people who sympathize with her are the soap opera crowd.
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