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| Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #71951] |
Wed, 04 May 2005 21:22 |
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Hi all-
Got a strange one for you.
We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago. Have a Whirlpool
built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well, still
looks to be in "as-new" condition.
Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes once a
month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in use and
the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on and off
(on for 1 second, off for 1 second, repeat) until we open and close the
oven door.
I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem (But
then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned out.
If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly opened)
when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open and
then close the door to make it stop.
I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they all
appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
Kindly,
Ken
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #71952 ] |
Wed, 04 May 2005 21:35 |
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nntp.post [at] gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all-
>
> Got a strange one for you.
>
> We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago. Have a Whirlpool
> built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well, still
> looks to be in "as-new" condition.
>
> Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes once a
> month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in use and
> the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on and off
> (on for 1 second, off for 1 second, repeat) until we open and close the
> oven door.
>
> I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem (But
> then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned out.
> If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
>
> I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly opened)
> when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open and
> then close the door to make it stop.
>
> I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they all
> appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
>
> Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
>
> Kindly,
> Ken
>
Try burning some incence inside the oven and sing some ancient
incantation to get gid of that ghost ;-)
Joschi
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #71953 ] |
Wed, 04 May 2005 21:38 |
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Joschi Kley wrote:
> Try burning some incence inside the oven and sing some
> ancient incantation to get gid of that ghost ;-)
No no no! That _attracts_ ghosts. You need an exorcist.
Your local HRCC can refer you to a reliable one.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #71954 ] |
Wed, 04 May 2005 21:54 |
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nntp.p... [at] gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all-
>
> Got a strange one for you.
>
> We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago. Have a Whirlpool
> built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well, still
> looks to be in "as-new" condition.
>
> Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes once
a
> month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in use
and
> the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on and
off
> (on for 1 second, off for 1 second, repeat) until we open and close
the
> oven door.
>
> I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem (But
> then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned
out.
> If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
>
> I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly opened)
> when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open and
> then close the door to make it stop.
>
> I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they all
> appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
>
> Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
The light bulb circuitry has nothing to do with any solid state
circuits, those lamps are energized directly and are on their own 110v
circuit.
If it's a glass-view door the switch should be on the exterior and must
be operated manually, has nothing to do with moving the door (like with
a fridge). If it's a solid door then usually the light switch operates
with the door opening and closing.
Sounds like an intermittant open... at either the switch or lamp socket
(but can also be the ground connection that opens and closes as the
unit heats and metal expands)... any circuit can behave the same when
there's a poor connection. It's actually quite dangerous, could be
indicative of a precursor to a serious short circuit which can cause a
fire. I would strongly urge you to have the unit checked by a licensed
electrician... better yet have the thing replaced... there are likely
other problems that will cost more to troubleshoot, isolate, and
correct than the thing is worth.
Sheldon
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #71956 ] |
Wed, 04 May 2005 23:13 |
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Dirty switch on tne door Orrrr... It's a mercury switch that is come loose.
The problem w/appliances isn't fixing them, usually it's something simple.
It's getting to the part. Go slow, take a deep breath and take care that you
remember how you took it apart.
<nntp.post [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1115234522.611363.21280 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi all-
>
> Got a strange one for you.
>
> We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago. Have a Whirlpool
> built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well, still
> looks to be in "as-new" condition.
>
> Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes once a
> month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in use and
> the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on and off
> (on for 1 second, off for 1 second, repeat) until we open and close the
> oven door.
>
> I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem (But
> then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned out.
> If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
>
> I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly opened)
> when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open and
> then close the door to make it stop.
>
> I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they all
> appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
>
> Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
>
> Kindly,
> Ken
>
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #71957 ] |
Wed, 04 May 2005 23:15 |
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Believe me... It's in the switch. Should be easy to find.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #71962 ] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 01:30 |
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Hi,
Strange problem is right! :~/
Possible relay on the control is closing and opening on it's own....
http://www.repairclinic.com/referral.asp?R=153&N=961211
Electronic control board.
.....or wishy-washy door switch ( if used, couldn't see one on the parts
breakdown )....
.....-if- it does have a door switch, oven door is comming open a bit on
it's own....bad hinges or door gasket....
http://www.repairclinic.com/referral.asp?R=153&N=901459
Oven door hinge.
http://www.repairclinic.com/referral.asp?R=153&N=829526
Oven door gasket
jeff.
Appliance Repair Aid
http://www.applianceaid.com/
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #71967 ] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 03:27 |
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On 4 May 2005 12:22:02 -0700, nntp.post [at] gmail.com wrote:
>Hi all-
>
>Got a strange one for you.
>
Do you happen to live next door to the guy who hears voices in his
well? Perhaps they are flahing "Get Out" in morse code?
Steve B.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #71970 ] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 13:04 |
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"Joschi Kley" <nontoxicprinting [at] gml.tv> wrote in message
news:427923d5$0$21756$9b622d9e [at] news.freenet.de...
> nntp.post [at] gmail.com wrote:
> > Hi all-
> >
> > Got a strange one for you.
> >
> > We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago. Have a Whirlpool
> > built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well, still
> > looks to be in "as-new" condition.
> >
> > Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes once a
> > month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in use and
> > the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on and off
> > (on for 1 second, off for 1 second, repeat) until we open and close the
> > oven door.
> >
> > I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem (But
> > then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned out.
> > If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
> >
> > I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly opened)
> > when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open and
> > then close the door to make it stop.
> >
> > I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they all
> > appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
> >
> > Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
> >
> > Kindly,
> > Ken
> >
>
> Try burning some incence inside the oven and sing some ancient
> incantation to get gid of that ghost ;-)
>
> Joschi
Indeed - I believe your (the OP) oven has what is known in the trade as a
'poultry geist'. Incense and incantations alone will not help you though -
you need to also burn a chicken feather inside it.
HTH.
Shaun aRe
--
May all your wishes be both wise and fulfilled.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #71985 ] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 19:16 |
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Most likely problem is a badly adjusted door switch.
A way to test this is to jump up and down next to the oven ( I am not
kidding). See if the vibration causes the light to go on.
The one second on , etc is a worry. When I have seen this fault it is
normally a few intermittant flashes as the switch is shaken.
Your safest option is to call in a service tech and get the obvious
faults checked.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #71991 ] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 21:10 |
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BULLSHIT! A "short" will blow a fuse / circuit breaker due to excessive
current. No danger here. Both the door switch and the manual switch have
push on connectors, which go bad over time.
"Sheldon" <PENMART01 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1115236491.707486.114110 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> nntp.p... [at] gmail.com wrote:
> > Hi all-
> >
> > Got a strange one for you.
> >
> > We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago. Have a Whirlpool
> > built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well, still
> > looks to be in "as-new" condition.
> >
> > Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes once
> a
> > month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in use
> and
> > the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on and
> off
> > (on for 1 second, off for 1 second, repeat) until we open and close
> the
> > oven door.
> >
> > I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem (But
> > then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned
> out.
> > If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
> >
> > I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly opened)
> > when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open and
> > then close the door to make it stop.
> >
> > I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they all
> > appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
> >
> > Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
>
> The light bulb circuitry has nothing to do with any solid state
> circuits, those lamps are energized directly and are on their own 110v
> circuit.
> If it's a glass-view door the switch should be on the exterior and must
> be operated manually, has nothing to do with moving the door (like with
> a fridge). If it's a solid door then usually the light switch operates
> with the door opening and closing.
>
> Sounds like an intermittant open... at either the switch or lamp socket
> (but can also be the ground connection that opens and closes as the
> unit heats and metal expands)... any circuit can behave the same when
> there's a poor connection. It's actually quite dangerous, could be
> indicative of a precursor to a serious short circuit which can cause a
> fire. I would strongly urge you to have the unit checked by a licensed
> electrician... better yet have the thing replaced... there are likely
> other problems that will cost more to troubleshoot, isolate, and
> correct than the thing is worth.
>
> Sheldon
>
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #71993 ] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 23:17 |
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Craven Morehead wrote:
> BULLSHIT! A "short" will blow a fuse / circuit breaker due to
excessive
> current. No danger here. Both the door switch and the manual switch
have
> push on connectors, which go bad over time.
Nope. The short would most likely be to the metal appliance itself,
waiting for some unsuspecting poor soul to come along and get
zapped.... and very few stove circuits are protected by GFIs... in
older homes many aren't even properly grounded, if at all... this is
the reason gas cooking is far safer than electric... you can survive a
little buzz by 110, but 220 will kill you dead.
> "Sheldon" <PENMART01 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1115236491.707486.114110 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > nntp.p... [at] gmail.com wrote:
> > > Hi all-
> > >
> > > Got a strange one for you.
> > >
> > > We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago. Have a
Whirlpool
> > > built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well,
still
> > > looks to be in "as-new" condition.
> > >
> > > Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes
once
> > a
> > > month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in
use
> > and
> > > the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on
and
> > off
> > > (on for 1 second, off for 1 second, repeat) until we open and
close
> > the
> > > oven door.
> > >
> > > I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem
(But
> > > then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned
> > out.
> > > If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
> > >
> > > I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly
opened)
> > > when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open
and
> > > then close the door to make it stop.
> > >
> > > I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they
all
> > > appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
> > >
> > > Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
> >
> > The light bulb circuitry has nothing to do with any solid state
> > circuits, those lamps are energized directly and are on their own
110v
> > circuit.
> > If it's a glass-view door the switch should be on the exterior and
must
> > be operated manually, has nothing to do with moving the door (like
with
> > a fridge). If it's a solid door then usually the light switch
operates
> > with the door opening and closing.
> >
> > Sounds like an intermittant open... at either the switch or lamp
socket
> > (but can also be the ground connection that opens and closes as the
> > unit heats and metal expands)... any circuit can behave the same
when
> > there's a poor connection. It's actually quite dangerous, could be
> > indicative of a precursor to a serious short circuit which can
cause a
> > fire. I would strongly urge you to have the unit checked by a
licensed
> > electrician... better yet have the thing replaced... there are
likely
> > other problems that will cost more to troubleshoot, isolate, and
> > correct than the thing is worth.
> >
> > Sheldon
> >
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #71995 ] |
Fri, 06 May 2005 02:33 |
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Most licensed electricians don't work on residential ovens. Get an
appliance repair guy. BTW, our Whirlpool oven has a light in the oven
that comes on when you push an external switch OR open the oven door.
Sounds like a flaky door switch to me.
Stretch
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #72006 ] |
Sun, 08 May 2005 02:02 |
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nntp.post [at] gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all-
>
> Got a strange one for you.
>
> We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago. Have a Whirlpool
> built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well, still
> looks to be in "as-new" condition.
>
> Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes once
a
> month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in use
and
> the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on and
off
> (on for 1 second, off for 1 second, repeat) until we open and close
the
> oven door.
>
> I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem (But
> then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned
out.
> If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
>
> I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly opened)
> when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open and
> then close the door to make it stop.
>
> I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they all
> appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
>
> Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
>
> Kindly,
> Ken
hi Ken
sci.electronics.repair and uk.d-i-y would be my first choices for
electrical knowledge.
If your oven light is switched by opening the door, it might be:
- badly adjusted switch
- poorly aligned door
- faulty shorting switch (most likely)
- cooking deposits on the switch contacts shorting it
If your oven light is switched manually on the front panel, it might
be:
- almost certainly a switch fault
- less likely, cooking deposits on the switch contacts shorting it
Is it dangerous? It can cause a fire, though in most cases will just
burn itself open circuit in time. So yes I'd get it fixed. Removing the
interior bulb(s) would considerably reduce the risk in the meantime,
but not fully eliminate it.
Why does it stop when you open the door? Bad connections move slightly
when vibrated.
Now your US wiring can be significantly different to ours in terms of
neutral and earth arrangements, and I would say its important to check
the oven is properly earthed - or as you say, grounded. Otherwise such
a fault can end up causing a shock in some cases. If your oven is not
grounded, I wouldnt use it. Even after the fault is fixed.
There is no need for a GFCI on an oven, as long as its grounded. It
would not in fact be a satisfactory arrangement, since significant
leakage is part of normal working with heating elements.
The effects of a short depend on whats shorting to where. Only some
shorts blow fuses and breakers.
220v cookers run on 2x 110v supplies in the US, unlike here where we
have real 240v. 240v shocks are not usually lethal, but theyre a whole
magnitude worse than 110. They claim around 30 lives per year here.
If you've still got 1930s wiring, pray daily. Wear a rubber wetsuit at
all times. Such historic installs are illegal here on a long list of
safety grounds, and anyone renting such could expect a jail term.
Almost certainly replacing the switch that operates the light would
cure the problem. This is usually a fairly simple electrical job.
Of course I could be wrong, it might be a poultry geist after all.
NT
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #72015 ] |
Sun, 08 May 2005 17:47 |
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Hi everyone:
Thanks so much for your replies.
I have unfortunately been unable to eliminate the posibility that all
of this is caused by either of the 2 ghosts that live here. I've asked
both, but neither one of them is talking.
Putting that possiblity aside, let me add some details and thoughts:
1) Under normal operating conditions, the light can be turned on by
either pressing the "light" button on the control panel or by opening
the door. There is a punger type switch built into the oven frame, at
the top of the unit. Holding down the punger turns off the light, even
if the oven door is open, so I believe that it's the only door open
sensor. Depressing the punger even slightly turns the light off and I
can pull the door open slightly without the light coming on. So I
don't think it's a problem witht he door becoming open, it has to be
very open to turn on the light.
2) The last time this happened I tried jumping up and down next to the
oven and banging the counter top that it above the oven. No change,
just 1/2 second on 1/2 second off. Jiggling the door left and right
didn't do anything. Only way to stop it is to open and then shut the
door.
3) I tried pushing the door closed more, I mean really pushing on it,
still no change.
4) Afer jumping didn't do anything, I tried pressing buttons on the
contol panel, looking for any change.
a) Hitting "Light" button turns the light on constant. As soon as I
press the button again, the flashing starts again.
b) Turning the oven on cook, starts the oven, (can't remember for sure,
think flashing continues), and the temperature setting flashes between
the temp and the word "DOOR" indicating that the door is open. If I
open the door all the way, "DOOR" stays on permanently.
5) I also tried leaving the door open, not when the flashing was going
on, but when the lights were initially off. I left it open for 3 hours
and the light just stayed on solid. This eliminates the possiblity
that the flashing it some kind of timer saying "hey stupid, you left
the door open."
6) Now I'm no electrician, but I'd think that a loose connection would
cause flickering of the lights, not a constant 1/2 second on 1/2 second
off cycle.
Thanks!
Ken
FYI- As suggested I've also posted this question to
sci.electronics.repair and uk.d-i-y.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #72016 ] |
Sun, 08 May 2005 18:02 |
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Hi everyone:
Thanks so much for your replies.
I have unfortunately been unable to eliminate the posibility that all
of this is caused by either of the 2 ghosts that live here. I've asked
both, but neither one of them is talking.
Putting that possiblity aside, let me add some details and thoughts:
1) Under normal operating conditions, the light can be turned on by
either pressing the "light" button on the control panel or by opening
the door. There is a punger type switch built into the oven frame, at
the top of the unit. Holding down the punger turns off the light, even
if the oven door is open, so I believe that it's the only door open
sensor. Depressing the punger even slightly turns the light off and I
can pull the door open slightly without the light coming on. So I
don't think it's a problem witht he door becoming open, it has to be
very open to turn on the light.
2) The last time this happened I tried jumping up and down next to the
oven and banging the counter top that it above the oven. No change,
just 1/2 second on 1/2 second off. Jiggling the door left and right
didn't do anything. Only way to stop it is to open and then shut the
door.
3) I tried pushing the door closed more, I mean really pushing on it,
still no change.
4) Afer jumping didn't do anything, I tried pressing buttons on the
contol panel, looking for any change.
a) Hitting "Light" button turns the light on constant. As soon as I
press the button again, the flashing starts again.
b) Turning the oven on cook, starts the oven, (can't remember for sure,
think flashing continues), and the temperature setting flashes between
the temp and the word "DOOR" indicating that the door is open. If I
open the door all the way, "DOOR" stays on permanently.
5) I also tried leaving the door open, not when the flashing was going
on, but when the lights were initially off. I left it open for 3 hours
and the light just stayed on solid. This eliminates the possiblity
that the flashing it some kind of timer saying "hey stupid, you left
the door open."
6) Now I'm no electrician, but I'd think that a loose connection would
cause flickering of the lights, not a constant 1/2 second on 1/2 second
off cycle.
Thanks!
Ken
FYI- As suggested I've also posted this question to
sci.electronics.repair and uk.d-i-y.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #72017 ] |
Mon, 09 May 2005 08:40 |
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While you would assume the switch just switches the current for the
lamps, there is probably a transistorized circuit to do the switching,
which is faulty.
Check the voltage available at the door switch. If it's LV, well, there
you go....
JR
nntp.post [at] gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all-
>
> Got a strange one for you.
>
> We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago (in the US). Have a
> Whirlpool built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well,
> still looks to be in "as-new" condition.
>
> Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes once a
> month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in use and
> the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on and off
> (on for 1/2 second, off for 1/2 second, repeat NOT flickering, but
> constant) until we open and close the
> oven door.
>
> I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem (But
> then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned out.
> If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
>
> I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly opened)
> when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open and
> then close the door to make it stop.
>
> I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they all
> appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
>
> I have unfortunately been unable to eliminate the posibility that all
> of this is caused by either of the 2 ghosts that live here. I've asked
> both, but neither one of them is talking.
>
> Putting that possiblity aside, let me add some details and thoughts:
>
> 1) Under normal operating conditions, the light can be turned on by
> either pressing the "light" button on the control panel or by opening
> the door. There is a punger type switch built into the oven frame, at
> the top of the unit. Holding down the punger turns off the light, even
> if the oven door is open, so I believe that it's the only door open
> sensor. Depressing the punger even slightly turns the light off and I
> can pull the door open slightly without the light coming on. So I
> don't think it's a problem witht he door becoming open, it has to be
> very open to turn on the light.
>
> 2) The last time this happened I tried jumping up and down next to the
> oven and banging the counter top that it above the oven. No change,
> just 1/2 second on 1/2 second off. Jiggling the door left and right
> didn't do anything. Only way to stop it is to open and then shut the
> door.
>
> 3) I tried pushing the door closed more, I mean really pushing on it,
> still no change.
>
> 4) Afer jumping didn't do anything, I tried pressing buttons on the
> contol panel, looking for any change.
>
> a) Hitting "Light" button turns the light on constant. As soon as I
> press the button again, the flashing starts again.
>
> b) Turning the oven on cook, starts the oven, (can't remember for sure,
> think flashing continues), and the temperature setting flashes between
> the temp and the word "DOOR" indicating that the door is open. If I
> open the door all the way, "DOOR" stays on permanently.
>
> 5) I also tried leaving the door open, not when the flashing was going
> on, but when the lights were initially off. I left it open for 3 hours
> and the light just stayed on solid. This eliminates the possiblity
> that the flashing it some kind of timer saying "hey stupid, you left
> the door open."
>
> 6) Now I'm no electrician, but I'd think that a loose connection would
> cause flickering of the lights, not a constant 1/2 second on 1/2 second
> off cycle.
>
> Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
>
> Kindly,
> Ken
>
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #72159 ] |
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nntp.post [at] gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all-
>
> Got a strange one for you.
>
> We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago. Have a Whirlpool
> built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well, still
> looks to be in "as-new" condition.
>
> Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes once a
> month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in use and
> the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on and off
> (on for 1 second, off for 1 second, repeat) until we open and close the
> oven door.
>
> I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem (But
> then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned out.
> If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
>
> I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly opened)
> when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open and
> then close the door to make it stop.
>
> I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they all
> appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
>
> Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
>
> Kindly,
> Ken
>
Try burning some incence inside the oven and sing some ancient
incantation to get gid of that ghost ;-)
Joschi
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #72161 ] |
Wed, 04 May 2005 21:38 |
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Joschi Kley wrote:
> Try burning some incence inside the oven and sing some
> ancient incantation to get gid of that ghost ;-)
No no no! That _attracts_ ghosts. You need an exorcist.
Your local HRCC can refer you to a reliable one.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #72165 ] |
Wed, 04 May 2005 21:54 |
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nntp.p... [at] gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all-
>
> Got a strange one for you.
>
> We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago. Have a Whirlpool
> built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well, still
> looks to be in "as-new" condition.
>
> Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes once
a
> month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in use
and
> the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on and
off
> (on for 1 second, off for 1 second, repeat) until we open and close
the
> oven door.
>
> I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem (But
> then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned
out.
> If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
>
> I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly opened)
> when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open and
> then close the door to make it stop.
>
> I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they all
> appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
>
> Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
The light bulb circuitry has nothing to do with any solid state
circuits, those lamps are energized directly and are on their own 110v
circuit.
If it's a glass-view door the switch should be on the exterior and must
be operated manually, has nothing to do with moving the door (like with
a fridge). If it's a solid door then usually the light switch operates
with the door opening and closing.
Sounds like an intermittant open... at either the switch or lamp socket
(but can also be the ground connection that opens and closes as the
unit heats and metal expands)... any circuit can behave the same when
there's a poor connection. It's actually quite dangerous, could be
indicative of a precursor to a serious short circuit which can cause a
fire. I would strongly urge you to have the unit checked by a licensed
electrician... better yet have the thing replaced... there are likely
other problems that will cost more to troubleshoot, isolate, and
correct than the thing is worth.
Sheldon
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #72183 ] |
Wed, 04 May 2005 23:13 |
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Dirty switch on tne door Orrrr... It's a mercury switch that is come loose.
The problem w/appliances isn't fixing them, usually it's something simple.
It's getting to the part. Go slow, take a deep breath and take care that you
remember how you took it apart.
<nntp.post [at] gmail.com> wrote in message
news:1115234522.611363.21280 [at] g14g2000cwa.googlegroups.com...
> Hi all-
>
> Got a strange one for you.
>
> We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago. Have a Whirlpool
> built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well, still
> looks to be in "as-new" condition.
>
> Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes once a
> month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in use and
> the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on and off
> (on for 1 second, off for 1 second, repeat) until we open and close the
> oven door.
>
> I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem (But
> then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned out.
> If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
>
> I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly opened)
> when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open and
> then close the door to make it stop.
>
> I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they all
> appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
>
> Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
>
> Kindly,
> Ken
>
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #72185 ] |
Wed, 04 May 2005 23:15 |
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Believe me... It's in the switch. Should be easy to find.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #72235 ] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 01:30 |
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Hi,
Strange problem is right! :~/
Possible relay on the control is closing and opening on it's own....
http://www.repairclinic.com/referral.asp?R=153&N=961211
Electronic control board.
.....or wishy-washy door switch ( if used, couldn't see one on the parts
breakdown )....
.....-if- it does have a door switch, oven door is comming open a bit on
it's own....bad hinges or door gasket....
http://www.repairclinic.com/referral.asp?R=153&N=901459
Oven door hinge.
http://www.repairclinic.com/referral.asp?R=153&N=829526
Oven door gasket
jeff.
Appliance Repair Aid
http://www.applianceaid.com/
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #72259 ] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 03:27 |
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On 4 May 2005 12:22:02 -0700, nntp.post [at] gmail.com wrote:
>Hi all-
>
>Got a strange one for you.
>
Do you happen to live next door to the guy who hears voices in his
well? Perhaps they are flahing "Get Out" in morse code?
Steve B.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #72340 ] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 13:04 |
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"Joschi Kley" <nontoxicprinting [at] gml.tv> wrote in message
news:427923d5$0$21756$9b622d9e [at] news.freenet.de...
> nntp.post [at] gmail.com wrote:
> > Hi all-
> >
> > Got a strange one for you.
> >
> > We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago. Have a Whirlpool
> > built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well, still
> > looks to be in "as-new" condition.
> >
> > Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes once a
> > month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in use and
> > the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on and off
> > (on for 1 second, off for 1 second, repeat) until we open and close the
> > oven door.
> >
> > I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem (But
> > then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned out.
> > If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
> >
> > I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly opened)
> > when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open and
> > then close the door to make it stop.
> >
> > I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they all
> > appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
> >
> > Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
> >
> > Kindly,
> > Ken
> >
>
> Try burning some incence inside the oven and sing some ancient
> incantation to get gid of that ghost ;-)
>
> Joschi
Indeed - I believe your (the OP) oven has what is known in the trade as a
'poultry geist'. Incense and incantations alone will not help you though -
you need to also burn a chicken feather inside it.
HTH.
Shaun aRe
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May all your wishes be both wise and fulfilled.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #72417 ] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 19:16 |
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Most likely problem is a badly adjusted door switch.
A way to test this is to jump up and down next to the oven ( I am not
kidding). See if the vibration causes the light to go on.
The one second on , etc is a worry. When I have seen this fault it is
normally a few intermittant flashes as the switch is shaken.
Your safest option is to call in a service tech and get the obvious
faults checked.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #72433 ] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 21:10 |
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BULLSHIT! A "short" will blow a fuse / circuit breaker due to excessive
current. No danger here. Both the door switch and the manual switch have
push on connectors, which go bad over time.
"Sheldon" <PENMART01 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
news:1115236491.707486.114110 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
>
> nntp.p... [at] gmail.com wrote:
> > Hi all-
> >
> > Got a strange one for you.
> >
> > We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago. Have a Whirlpool
> > built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well, still
> > looks to be in "as-new" condition.
> >
> > Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes once
> a
> > month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in use
> and
> > the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on and
> off
> > (on for 1 second, off for 1 second, repeat) until we open and close
> the
> > oven door.
> >
> > I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem (But
> > then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned
> out.
> > If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
> >
> > I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly opened)
> > when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open and
> > then close the door to make it stop.
> >
> > I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they all
> > appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
> >
> > Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
>
> The light bulb circuitry has nothing to do with any solid state
> circuits, those lamps are energized directly and are on their own 110v
> circuit.
> If it's a glass-view door the switch should be on the exterior and must
> be operated manually, has nothing to do with moving the door (like with
> a fridge). If it's a solid door then usually the light switch operates
> with the door opening and closing.
>
> Sounds like an intermittant open... at either the switch or lamp socket
> (but can also be the ground connection that opens and closes as the
> unit heats and metal expands)... any circuit can behave the same when
> there's a poor connection. It's actually quite dangerous, could be
> indicative of a precursor to a serious short circuit which can cause a
> fire. I would strongly urge you to have the unit checked by a licensed
> electrician... better yet have the thing replaced... there are likely
> other problems that will cost more to troubleshoot, isolate, and
> correct than the thing is worth.
>
> Sheldon
>
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #72462 ] |
Thu, 05 May 2005 23:17 |
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Craven Morehead wrote:
> BULLSHIT! A "short" will blow a fuse / circuit breaker due to
excessive
> current. No danger here. Both the door switch and the manual switch
have
> push on connectors, which go bad over time.
Nope. The short would most likely be to the metal appliance itself,
waiting for some unsuspecting poor soul to come along and get
zapped.... and very few stove circuits are protected by GFIs... in
older homes many aren't even properly grounded, if at all... this is
the reason gas cooking is far safer than electric... you can survive a
little buzz by 110, but 220 will kill you dead.
> "Sheldon" <PENMART01 [at] aol.com> wrote in message
> news:1115236491.707486.114110 [at] z14g2000cwz.googlegroups.com...
> >
> > nntp.p... [at] gmail.com wrote:
> > > Hi all-
> > >
> > > Got a strange one for you.
> > >
> > > We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago. Have a
Whirlpool
> > > built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well,
still
> > > looks to be in "as-new" condition.
> > >
> > > Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes
once
> > a
> > > month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in
use
> > and
> > > the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on
and
> > off
> > > (on for 1 second, off for 1 second, repeat) until we open and
close
> > the
> > > oven door.
> > >
> > > I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem
(But
> > > then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned
> > out.
> > > If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
> > >
> > > I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly
opened)
> > > when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open
and
> > > then close the door to make it stop.
> > >
> > > I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they
all
> > > appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
> > >
> > > Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
> >
> > The light bulb circuitry has nothing to do with any solid state
> > circuits, those lamps are energized directly and are on their own
110v
> > circuit.
> > If it's a glass-view door the switch should be on the exterior and
must
> > be operated manually, has nothing to do with moving the door (like
with
> > a fridge). If it's a solid door then usually the light switch
operates
> > with the door opening and closing.
> >
> > Sounds like an intermittant open... at either the switch or lamp
socket
> > (but can also be the ground connection that opens and closes as the
> > unit heats and metal expands)... any circuit can behave the same
when
> > there's a poor connection. It's actually quite dangerous, could be
> > indicative of a precursor to a serious short circuit which can
cause a
> > fire. I would strongly urge you to have the unit checked by a
licensed
> > electrician... better yet have the thing replaced... there are
likely
> > other problems that will cost more to troubleshoot, isolate, and
> > correct than the thing is worth.
> >
> > Sheldon
> >
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #72512 ] |
Fri, 06 May 2005 02:33 |
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Most licensed electricians don't work on residential ovens. Get an
appliance repair guy. BTW, our Whirlpool oven has a light in the oven
that comes on when you push an external switch OR open the oven door.
Sounds like a flaky door switch to me.
Stretch
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #73079 ] |
Sun, 08 May 2005 02:02 |
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nntp.post [at] gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all-
>
> Got a strange one for you.
>
> We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago. Have a Whirlpool
> built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well, still
> looks to be in "as-new" condition.
>
> Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes once
a
> month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in use
and
> the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on and
off
> (on for 1 second, off for 1 second, repeat) until we open and close
the
> oven door.
>
> I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem (But
> then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned
out.
> If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
>
> I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly opened)
> when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open and
> then close the door to make it stop.
>
> I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they all
> appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
>
> Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
>
> Kindly,
> Ken
hi Ken
sci.electronics.repair and uk.d-i-y would be my first choices for
electrical knowledge.
If your oven light is switched by opening the door, it might be:
- badly adjusted switch
- poorly aligned door
- faulty shorting switch (most likely)
- cooking deposits on the switch contacts shorting it
If your oven light is switched manually on the front panel, it might
be:
- almost certainly a switch fault
- less likely, cooking deposits on the switch contacts shorting it
Is it dangerous? It can cause a fire, though in most cases will just
burn itself open circuit in time. So yes I'd get it fixed. Removing the
interior bulb(s) would considerably reduce the risk in the meantime,
but not fully eliminate it.
Why does it stop when you open the door? Bad connections move slightly
when vibrated.
Now your US wiring can be significantly different to ours in terms of
neutral and earth arrangements, and I would say its important to check
the oven is properly earthed - or as you say, grounded. Otherwise such
a fault can end up causing a shock in some cases. If your oven is not
grounded, I wouldnt use it. Even after the fault is fixed.
There is no need for a GFCI on an oven, as long as its grounded. It
would not in fact be a satisfactory arrangement, since significant
leakage is part of normal working with heating elements.
The effects of a short depend on whats shorting to where. Only some
shorts blow fuses and breakers.
220v cookers run on 2x 110v supplies in the US, unlike here where we
have real 240v. 240v shocks are not usually lethal, but theyre a whole
magnitude worse than 110. They claim around 30 lives per year here.
If you've still got 1930s wiring, pray daily. Wear a rubber wetsuit at
all times. Such historic installs are illegal here on a long list of
safety grounds, and anyone renting such could expect a jail term.
Almost certainly replacing the switch that operates the light would
cure the problem. This is usually a fairly simple electrical job.
Of course I could be wrong, it might be a poultry geist after all.
NT
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #73244 ] |
Sun, 08 May 2005 17:47 |
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Hi everyone:
Thanks so much for your replies.
I have unfortunately been unable to eliminate the posibility that all
of this is caused by either of the 2 ghosts that live here. I've asked
both, but neither one of them is talking.
Putting that possiblity aside, let me add some details and thoughts:
1) Under normal operating conditions, the light can be turned on by
either pressing the "light" button on the control panel or by opening
the door. There is a punger type switch built into the oven frame, at
the top of the unit. Holding down the punger turns off the light, even
if the oven door is open, so I believe that it's the only door open
sensor. Depressing the punger even slightly turns the light off and I
can pull the door open slightly without the light coming on. So I
don't think it's a problem witht he door becoming open, it has to be
very open to turn on the light.
2) The last time this happened I tried jumping up and down next to the
oven and banging the counter top that it above the oven. No change,
just 1/2 second on 1/2 second off. Jiggling the door left and right
didn't do anything. Only way to stop it is to open and then shut the
door.
3) I tried pushing the door closed more, I mean really pushing on it,
still no change.
4) Afer jumping didn't do anything, I tried pressing buttons on the
contol panel, looking for any change.
a) Hitting "Light" button turns the light on constant. As soon as I
press the button again, the flashing starts again.
b) Turning the oven on cook, starts the oven, (can't remember for sure,
think flashing continues), and the temperature setting flashes between
the temp and the word "DOOR" indicating that the door is open. If I
open the door all the way, "DOOR" stays on permanently.
5) I also tried leaving the door open, not when the flashing was going
on, but when the lights were initially off. I left it open for 3 hours
and the light just stayed on solid. This eliminates the possiblity
that the flashing it some kind of timer saying "hey stupid, you left
the door open."
6) Now I'm no electrician, but I'd think that a loose connection would
cause flickering of the lights, not a constant 1/2 second on 1/2 second
off cycle.
Thanks!
Ken
FYI- As suggested I've also posted this question to
sci.electronics.repair and uk.d-i-y.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #73253 ] |
Sun, 08 May 2005 18:02 |
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Hi everyone:
Thanks so much for your replies.
I have unfortunately been unable to eliminate the posibility that all
of this is caused by either of the 2 ghosts that live here. I've asked
both, but neither one of them is talking.
Putting that possiblity aside, let me add some details and thoughts:
1) Under normal operating conditions, the light can be turned on by
either pressing the "light" button on the control panel or by opening
the door. There is a punger type switch built into the oven frame, at
the top of the unit. Holding down the punger turns off the light, even
if the oven door is open, so I believe that it's the only door open
sensor. Depressing the punger even slightly turns the light off and I
can pull the door open slightly without the light coming on. So I
don't think it's a problem witht he door becoming open, it has to be
very open to turn on the light.
2) The last time this happened I tried jumping up and down next to the
oven and banging the counter top that it above the oven. No change,
just 1/2 second on 1/2 second off. Jiggling the door left and right
didn't do anything. Only way to stop it is to open and then shut the
door.
3) I tried pushing the door closed more, I mean really pushing on it,
still no change.
4) Afer jumping didn't do anything, I tried pressing buttons on the
contol panel, looking for any change.
a) Hitting "Light" button turns the light on constant. As soon as I
press the button again, the flashing starts again.
b) Turning the oven on cook, starts the oven, (can't remember for sure,
think flashing continues), and the temperature setting flashes between
the temp and the word "DOOR" indicating that the door is open. If I
open the door all the way, "DOOR" stays on permanently.
5) I also tried leaving the door open, not when the flashing was going
on, but when the lights were initially off. I left it open for 3 hours
and the light just stayed on solid. This eliminates the possiblity
that the flashing it some kind of timer saying "hey stupid, you left
the door open."
6) Now I'm no electrician, but I'd think that a loose connection would
cause flickering of the lights, not a constant 1/2 second on 1/2 second
off cycle.
Thanks!
Ken
FYI- As suggested I've also posted this question to
sci.electronics.repair and uk.d-i-y.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #73982 ] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 06:13 |
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Could it be that the flashing interior lamp is a signal when using the
self cleaning feature?
JR North wrote:
> While you would assume the switch just switches the current for the
> lamps, there is probably a transistorized circuit to do the switching,
> which is faulty.
> Check the voltage available at the door switch. If it's LV, well,
> there you go....
> JR
>
> nntp.post [at] gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all-
>>
>> Got a strange one for you.
>>
>> We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago (in the US). Have a
>> Whirlpool built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well,
>> still looks to be in "as-new" condition.
>>
>> Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes once a
>> month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in use and
>> the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on and off
>> (on for 1/2 second, off for 1/2 second, repeat NOT flickering, but
>> constant) until we open and close the
>> oven door.
>>
>> I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem (But
>> then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned out.
>> If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
>>
>> I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly opened)
>> when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open and
>> then close the door to make it stop.
>>
>> I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they all
>> appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
>>
>> I have unfortunately been unable to eliminate the posibility that all
>> of this is caused by either of the 2 ghosts that live here. I've asked
>> both, but neither one of them is talking.
>>
>> Putting that possiblity aside, let me add some details and thoughts:
>>
>> 1) Under normal operating conditions, the light can be turned on by
>> either pressing the "light" button on the control panel or by opening
>> the door. There is a punger type switch built into the oven frame, at
>> the top of the unit. Holding down the punger turns off the light, even
>> if the oven door is open, so I believe that it's the only door open
>> sensor. Depressing the punger even slightly turns the light off and I
>> can pull the door open slightly without the light coming on. So I
>> don't think it's a problem witht he door becoming open, it has to be
>> very open to turn on the light.
>>
>> 2) The last time this happened I tried jumping up and down next to the
>> oven and banging the counter top that it above the oven. No change,
>> just 1/2 second on 1/2 second off. Jiggling the door left and right
>> didn't do anything. Only way to stop it is to open and then shut the
>> door.
>>
>> 3) I tried pushing the door closed more, I mean really pushing on it,
>> still no change.
>>
>> 4) Afer jumping didn't do anything, I tried pressing buttons on the
>> contol panel, looking for any change.
>>
>> a) Hitting "Light" button turns the light on constant. As soon as I
>> press the button again, the flashing starts again.
>>
>> b) Turning the oven on cook, starts the oven, (can't remember for sure,
>> think flashing continues), and the temperature setting flashes between
>> the temp and the word "DOOR" indicating that the door is open. If I
>> open the door all the way, "DOOR" stays on permanently.
>>
>> 5) I also tried leaving the door open, not when the flashing was going
>> on, but when the lights were initially off. I left it open for 3 hours
>> and the light just stayed on solid. This eliminates the possiblity
>> that the flashing it some kind of timer saying "hey stupid, you left
>> the door open."
>>
>> 6) Now I'm no electrician, but I'd think that a loose connection would
>> cause flickering of the lights, not a constant 1/2 second on 1/2 second
>> off cycle.
>>
>> Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
>>
>> Kindly, Ken
>>
>
>
--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"
The Lost Deep Thoughts By: Jack Handey
Before a mad scientist goes mad, there's probably a time
when he's only partially mad. And this is the time when he's
going to throw his best parties.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #73983 ] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 06:32 |
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nntp.post [at] gmail.com wrote:
> Hi all-
>
> Got a strange one for you.
>
> We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago (in the US). Have a
> Whirlpool built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well,
> still looks to be in "as-new" condition.
>
> Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes once a
> month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in use and
> the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on and off
> (on for 1/2 second, off for 1/2 second, repeat NOT flickering, but
> constant) until we open and close the
> oven door.
>
> I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem (But
> then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned out.
> If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
>
> I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly opened)
> when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open and
> then close the door to make it stop.
>
> I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they all
> appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
>
> I have unfortunately been unable to eliminate the posibility that all
> of this is caused by either of the 2 ghosts that live here. I've asked
> both, but neither one of them is talking.
>
> Putting that possiblity aside, let me add some details and thoughts:
>
> 1) Under normal operating conditions, the light can be turned on by
> either pressing the "light" button on the control panel or by opening
> the door. There is a punger type switch built into the oven frame, at
> the top of the unit. Holding down the punger turns off the light, even
> if the oven door is open, so I believe that it's the only door open
> sensor. Depressing the punger even slightly turns the light off and I
> can pull the door open slightly without the light coming on. So I
> don't think it's a problem witht he door becoming open, it has to be
> very open to turn on the light.
>
> 2) The last time this happened I tried jumping up and down next to the
> oven and banging the counter top that it above the oven. No change,
> just 1/2 second on 1/2 second off. Jiggling the door left and right
> didn't do anything. Only way to stop it is to open and then shut the
> door.
>
> 3) I tried pushing the door closed more, I mean really pushing on it,
> still no change.
>
> 4) Afer jumping didn't do anything, I tried pressing buttons on the
> contol panel, looking for any change.
>
> a) Hitting "Light" button turns the light on constant. As soon as I
> press the button again, the flashing starts again.
>
> b) Turning the oven on cook, starts the oven, (can't remember for sure,
> think flashing continues), and the temperature setting flashes between
> the temp and the word "DOOR" indicating that the door is open. If I
> open the door all the way, "DOOR" stays on permanently.
>
> 5) I also tried leaving the door open, not when the flashing was going
> on, but when the lights were initially off. I left it open for 3 hours
> and the light just stayed on solid. This eliminates the possiblity
> that the flashing it some kind of timer saying "hey stupid, you left
> the door open."
>
> 6) Now I'm no electrician, but I'd think that a loose connection would
> cause flickering of the lights, not a constant 1/2 second on 1/2 second
> off cycle.
>
> Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
>
> Kindly,
> Ken
Hi Ken...
Don't know the machine at all, but a couple of thoughts, if
I may?
Flashing asking you to latch the door for a pre-programmed
self cleaning?
Perhaps it's - what's the word? - been told to begin cooking
at a preset time, and warning anyone nearby to keep fingers
away as it prepares to start?
Perhaps it's reached the end of a pre-programmed event, and
warning you that it's ready (with the audible signal turned off)?
Is their a minute minder? Maybe sounding off with the audible
disabled?
Just thinking...
Ken
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #74323 ] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 06:13 |
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Could it be that the flashing interior lamp is a signal when using the
self cleaning feature?
JR North wrote:
> While you would assume the switch just switches the current for the
> lamps, there is probably a transistorized circuit to do the switching,
> which is faulty.
> Check the voltage available at the door switch. If it's LV, well,
> there you go....
> JR
>
> nntp.post [at] gmail.com wrote:
>
>> Hi all-
>>
>> Got a strange one for you.
>>
>> We moved into a 5 yr old house about 6 months ago (in the US). Have a
>> Whirlpool built in electric oven, model RBS305PDB8. Works quite well,
>> still looks to be in "as-new" condition.
>>
>> Periodically, at random times, sometimes once a week, sometimes once a
>> month, sometimes multiple times a day, when the oven is not in use and
>> the door is closed, the 2 lights inside the oven will flash on and off
>> (on for 1/2 second, off for 1/2 second, repeat NOT flickering, but
>> constant) until we open and close the
>> oven door.
>>
>> I called Whirlpool, but they hadn't ever heard of this problem (But
>> then again, the guy told me to make sure the bulbs weren't burned out.
>> If they were burned out, they couldn't be flashing!!).
>>
>> I've tried pushing the door closed (in case it was slightly opened)
>> when this happens, but that doesn't seem to work. I need to open and
>> then close the door to make it stop.
>>
>> I found a website with error codes for Whirlpool ovens, but they all
>> appear on the lcd display, not by flashing the oven lights.
>>
>> I have unfortunately been unable to eliminate the posibility that all
>> of this is caused by either of the 2 ghosts that live here. I've asked
>> both, but neither one of them is talking.
>>
>> Putting that possiblity aside, let me add some details and thoughts:
>>
>> 1) Under normal operating conditions, the light can be turned on by
>> either pressing the "light" button on the control panel or by opening
>> the door. There is a punger type switch built into the oven frame, at
>> the top of the unit. Holding down the punger turns off the light, even
>> if the oven door is open, so I believe that it's the only door open
>> sensor. Depressing the punger even slightly turns the light off and I
>> can pull the door open slightly without the light coming on. So I
>> don't think it's a problem witht he door becoming open, it has to be
>> very open to turn on the light.
>>
>> 2) The last time this happened I tried jumping up and down next to the
>> oven and banging the counter top that it above the oven. No change,
>> just 1/2 second on 1/2 second off. Jiggling the door left and right
>> didn't do anything. Only way to stop it is to open and then shut the
>> door.
>>
>> 3) I tried pushing the door closed more, I mean really pushing on it,
>> still no change.
>>
>> 4) Afer jumping didn't do anything, I tried pressing buttons on the
>> contol panel, looking for any change.
>>
>> a) Hitting "Light" button turns the light on constant. As soon as I
>> press the button again, the flashing starts again.
>>
>> b) Turning the oven on cook, starts the oven, (can't remember for sure,
>> think flashing continues), and the temperature setting flashes between
>> the temp and the word "DOOR" indicating that the door is open. If I
>> open the door all the way, "DOOR" stays on permanently.
>>
>> 5) I also tried leaving the door open, not when the flashing was going
>> on, but when the lights were initially off. I left it open for 3 hours
>> and the light just stayed on solid. This eliminates the possiblity
>> that the flashing it some kind of timer saying "hey stupid, you left
>> the door open."
>>
>> 6) Now I'm no electrician, but I'd think that a loose connection would
>> cause flickering of the lights, not a constant 1/2 second on 1/2 second
>> off cycle.
>>
>> Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
>>
>> Kindly, Ken
>>
>
>
--
Joe Leikhim K4SAT
"The RFI-EMI-GUY"
The Lost Deep Thoughts By: Jack Handey
Before a mad scientist goes mad, there's probably a time
when he's only partially mad. And this is the time when he's
going to throw his best parties.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #74531 ] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 14:39 |
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Ken Weitzel wrote:
> nntp.post [at] gmail.com wrote:
> > Has anyone ever experienced this before or have any suggestions?
> Don't know the machine at all, but a couple of thoughts, if
> I may?
This is one of those weird threads where the question was answered in
detail, then the OP reposted the question here.
NT
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #74535 ] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 23:07 |
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This wasn't answered in detail elsewhere, just a bunch of people giving
their thoughts, much like this thread so far. I certainly appreciate
everyone's replies, but I've yet to find someone with the same problem
who has a remedy.
Since in the other newsgroups I didn't receive a definitive answer and
a poster suggested that I try posting here, I did as much.
OR - maybe there was a definitive answer that I missed somewhere? NT-
if this is the case, please point me in the direction of this post.
Thanks
Ken
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #74536 ] |
Tue, 10 May 2005 23:11 |
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I've tried running a self cleaning, twice actually. Works fine, oven
looks clean, but of course flashing still happens.
The oven does have a program timer, but it's not set.
Thanks for your thoughts.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #74537 ] |
Wed, 11 May 2005 00:06 |
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On 10 May 2005 14:07:21 -0700
nntp.post [at] gmail.com wrote:
> This wasn't answered in detail elsewhere, just a bunch of people giving
> their thoughts, much like this thread so far. I certainly appreciate
> everyone's replies, but I've yet to find someone with the same problem
> who has a remedy.
>
> Since in the other newsgroups I didn't receive a definitive answer and
> a poster suggested that I try posting here, I did as much.
>
> OR - maybe there was a definitive answer that I missed somewhere? NT-
> if this is the case, please point me in the direction of this post.
All mechanical diagnoses remain less than definitive until the fix has
been tried. sight-unseen diagnosis doubly so.
The bottom line is that you'll have to either investigate the mechanics
of it yourself or pay an appliance repairman to do it for you.
My two bits: It's definitely either a mechanical or electrical failure.
See?
My Whirlpool range had a similar problem, for a while, that went away.
At the moment i can't get the light in the oven to turn on under any
circumstances (yes, I've replaced the bulb), but since i can't see through
the window i don't care.
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| Re: Whirloop oven strange behavior of oven lights [message #74538 ] |
Wed, 11 May 2005 00:40 |
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nntp.post [at] gmail.com wrote:
> I've tried running a self cleaning, twice actually. Works fine, oven
> looks clean, but of course flashing still happens.
>
> The oven does have a program timer, but it's not set.
>
> Thanks for your thoughts.
Hi...
Found this page for you. Perhaps helpful?
http://www.affordableappliance.com/Tips/FaultCodes.htm#WHIRL POOL%20%20Range/Stove/Oven%20Fault%20Codes%20Non%20Y-Line
Ken
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